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Desc:Finally.
Category:News & Politics
Tags:obama, same sex marriage, gay rights, equality, human rights
Submitted:Change
Date:05/09/12
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Comment count is 45
Caminante Nocturno
Why, this comes completely out of nowhere. I never would have guessed.
Meerkat
Neither would he have, until he met some people and talked to some people.

memedumpster
"I support and oppose many things, but not strongly enough to pick up a pen."

-Bender
Millard
I woke up this morning and Romney had already won the election.
jangbones
I am having a hard time differentiating the two

SolRo
One's black

takewithfood
Obama is only 1/2 black, but Romney is 3/2 white, so it's sort of the same thing?

chumbucket
BOUGHT the election

Rodents of Unusual Size
Romney is actually half Mexican.

violenza
Fucking finally indeed.
violenza
Also, awesome submitter/description combo.

poorwill
I come out in support of the submitter/description marriage.

poorwill
Now I'm kind of ashamed that my country recognises civil unions but not gay marriages and that there's a chance the super-conservative US might beat us to it because we went the cowardly route. I didn't think much of it til recently, thought it was a semantics thing, but it really is about more than the name. because if people opposing gay marriage are willing to allow the *same thing* to be legal by another name, then what they really want is the social status that comes with that name, and to deny it of others. So that is why I have come to accept their claim that gay marriage really is an attack against these people and their institution, and that is why I will always support it.
godot
If the opposition to giving the same legal status to same sex unions is the religious and sacramental connotations of the word marriage, I've no problem with a system in which the state ONLY recognizes civil unions (marriage registrations requiring civil union paperwork), and the couples are on their own to find a church to give them a entirely symbolic ceremony.

13.5
Wow looks like someone made a strategic political decision about something he can't legally do anything more about than he was already doing

Three stars for bully pulpit (such as it is when occupied an ILLEGAL COMMUNIST MARXIST NAZI AFRICAN, etc.) and the concept of marriage equality, but it's hard to get that excited about much the Prez does at this point
fatatty
It's actually pretty risky politically. It's sad to say, but it's hard to win the Presidency of the United States without the bigot vote. And there are a lot of bigoted blacks and Hispanics who were guaranteed to vote for him who won't now.

dairyqueenlatifah
Yeah, "political suicide" would make a good tag.

13.5
I would think that, but I *have* to think this is some kind of strategic decision. I mean, there's no other reason he'd *do* it. Maybe it's designed to energize the base or something.

It either says something about me or says something about Obama's presidency that the fact that he does something makes me think there's some sort of cold political calculation in it.

Bort
Of course there is political calculation in this. All in all, I think it's the right course: there aren't too many evolutionary throwbacks who weren't already opposed to Obama, and being anti-gay is growing less and less acceptable these days. And I am guessing that black / Hispanic homophobes can be persuaded to come to their senses.

And yes, there does absolutely need to be a pragmatic assessment of political costs for championing a traditionally-disenfranchised group. Let's take a look at the Civil Rights Act: it's been 40+ years and the Democrats are still paying the price for it, with Republicans scoring easy victories over half the US just by dogwhistling to bigots. This has effectively meant that, thanks to the Civil Rights Act, Republicans have been able to block everything from unemployment benefits to action on global warming. Was the Civil Rights Act the right thing? Oh absolutely. Has it cost the Democrats (and the country)? Unquestionably.

Anaxagoras
The Hispanic community is, on average, in favor of gay marriage. (I believe it polls at like 67% in favor)

The blacks.... not so much.

memedumpster
Mitt Romney used the words "delicate" and "tender" in his response to this, which is sound bite gold. Obama is great at trolling the right.

Paracelsus
Not a significant risk to reelection, or it would not have been done in an election cycle. Obama's got it sewn up against Romney, who has to win every right-leaning state and then every fence-sitting state to even stand a chance. Look at the data.

It's a slight gamble. Obama stands to galvanize the right slightly, but again, people in South Carolina were going to vote for Romney anyway and people in California are going to vote for Obama no matter what. The numbers are just not there for Romney. You can have all the red states you want; they don't add up to victory in electoral votes.

It also throws some social issue red meat to Obama's progressive-liberal base, which had been threatening to stay home in light of what seemed like inertia. I think on balance he gains more votes than he loses, though again the electoral college in almost any projection you look at has Obama taking it in a walk.

baleen
Waaah why can't the president do everything all the time my way without having to think about politics waaah

baleen
All Obama could dream of would be for Romney to turn 2012 into a Christian conservative crusade, playing in territory that is clearly not his own. If Obama had come out and said that he was for gay marriage on the campaign trail (he did not) or on his first week in office, nobody would care about this.

The timing is perfect. Who cares if it's political. Everything a politician does has to be done with mindfulness of the news cycle and recent events (Romney firing Grinnell, being a big one).

This was a well played move politically and it's one of the greatest pluses in Civil Rights history, so stop whining.

Bort
"The blacks.... not so much."

If there's one demographic I imagine Obama could persuade to stop being such homophobic jerks, it's black voters. Bear in mind that a lot of black opposition to homosexuality is a holdover of black churches' quest for respectability via orthodoxy, not a desire to find inferiors to hate.

dairyqueenlatifah
Welp, it's official, Romney is our next president.

No need to even have any further debates or speeches, press conferences or college visits. Just put the booths out there and watch the 2/3rds vote give Romney the oval office.

Sorry Obama. I admire your ballsy, I question your intent. I mourn your inevitable loss. Good bye.
memedumpster
As a fucking faggot, I find your demands that Obama be a simpering appeasing pussy on this issue disgusting. It's bad enough that he's obviously lying his ass off for political points, but to even bash him for pretending to give a shit is too much.

Pillager
During the debates, Obama could perform a black mass, sodomize a moray eel, & then wipe his cock off with an American flag and still come away looking more likeable than the French speaking, uncharismatic flip flopper from New England.

Romney makes Al Gore look like Reagan.

poorwill
Now I'll be disappointed when Obama doesn't do that stuff in the debates. What a letdown this presidency has been.

dairyqueenlatifah
Bitch, please. I'm a faggot too.

I'm not bashing him, or demanding that he be a simpering appeasing pussy on the issue. I'm simply lamenting the current social state of our society, which is full of people who will undoubtedly let this determine whether they vote for Obama or not.

memedumpster
That's true, there are a lot of morons about. The thing is, maybe it's important on a longer reaching level that those people will actually have to stand up and make that vote, willingly, in front everyone, over never being put on the spot at all. Yes, as Bort points out above, raising issues in the face of an overwhelming majority of blindness does create long and far reaching problems for the entirety of our way of life, but isn't it worth it? Isn't it better to leave our children a legacy of problems created by our insistence on doing what's right than problems created by our fear of addressing what's wrong?

Corpus Delectable
I think there's gonna be some athletic makeup gaysex in memedumpster's and dairyqueenlatifah's futures.

Jet Bin Fever
Ahh, I don't think you guys should decide the election yet. People may not be in support of it, but Romney wants a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT prohibiting it. That's something even conservatives (Libertarians and such) should be against, regardless of their stance. How much more intrusive can you get?
kamlem
Thankyou, Biden.
Toenails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_RT49mUUk
Hooker
Now wouldn't it have been nice if he came to this conclusion when he wasn't losing the youth vote?
Hay Belly
Looks like I'm voting for the second time since Clinton.
Bort
So I should thank you personally for letting the Teabaggers sweep into office in 2010. Thanks a lot, dumbass. People like you are the Republicans' secret weapon.

memedumpster
You're either with Obama, or with the terrorists. Moderates don't deserve citizenship.

Caminante Nocturno
I remember what happened the last time we tolerated voter apathy.

Riskbreaker
THAT'S IT, THE GAY STORM IS GOING TO DROWN US! IT'S GONNA BE RAINING MEN!
TeenerTot
Hallelujia!

cognitivedissonance
If nothing else it just impresses upon the undecideds that Romney is a robot incapable of sincerity or honest self-reflection.
Potter
too little, too late...
Caminante Nocturno
Ha ha ha ha ha!

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