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fedex - 2013-01-14
they'reforyou - 2013-01-14
Five for completely missing the point. I'm fairly certain most people who defend the Bible's validity do so because "it's inspired." And people who point out errors and contradictions in the text do so to suggest that how can something inspired be so convoluted and flawed? Shouldn't it be coherent and reliable regardless of translation, since it's allegedly designed to be for Jews and Gentiles alike? That's when Bible thumpers throw in the "translations are man made and men are flawed" argument. So, I guess the original Jews and Greeks who wrote the books of the Bible weren't flawed???
SteamPoweredKleenex - 2013-01-14
There are a great deal of literalists out there who start tossing out words like "infallible" when it comes to the scriptures. They overlook the fact that the gospels don't follow the same accounts or events and aren't even a coherent narrative from one book to the next or that the Bible was cobbled together from loads of writings, many of which were rejected (Revelations was particularly contentious).

Hell, there have been congresscritters so ignorant that they claimed Jesus spoke English, so there you go.

Toenails - 2013-01-14
This guy can talk really fast, but apparently can't count to 2.
StanleyPain - 2013-01-14
OH man....every now and then a Christian honestly takes me by surprise and makes me laugh rather than want to punch a wall.

So...the Bible is the divine whatever, but now we're willing to concede it has human errors because it was written and translated by people. Isn't that kind of conceding the point that the bible is pretty much garbage when you say it's "God's word?" Oh, but no...it's still totally the divine revelations of God. Just sort of...all mucky from human mistakes.

CornOnTheCabre - 2013-01-14
the "divine spark" argument is especially ridiculous when you realize that the bible was put together by councils, who weeded out other eligible books, such as the Gospel of Nicodemus.

was that gospel just a warm-up draft or something? i guess even an infallible creator that is the beginning and ending of all things needs an editor.

StanleyPain - 2013-01-14
Yeah, most Christians are unaware of the Councils of Nicea and the Council of Trent which pretty much re-wrote the existing bible and totally altered its interpretation. I'm pretty sure those were ordinary, every day humans that did that, but what do I know, I'm not a professional theologian, right?

IrishWhiskey - 2013-01-14
The Councils of Nicea and Trent did change interpretations, but their reputation for rewriting them is exaggerated.

It's closer to what CornOnTheCabre was talking about, in that there were over 40 gospels, and the Church picked particular versions of particular gospels as suited their interpretation of Christianity, as opposed to other major Christian groups who had radically different beliefs. Some historians working for the Church, like Bishop Eusebius, then forged and altered other works like Josephus to promote this interpretation.

Still the most likely time for direct changes to the story, was even before the synoptic gospels. John, Matthew and Luke were written by Greeks nearly a century later, who likely added their own philosophy and religious beliefs into a rather different version of the original Judaic Christianity, including the addition of hell, Jesus as a demi-god, and making salvation apply to non-Hebrews. We've no copies of Mark or Paul prior to these works, and what early references exist suggest they had a different message than they were later changed to.

That guy - 2013-01-14
We STILL use metaphors, similies and analogies today!
Bort - 2013-01-15
That was the only part of this where I have to give the guy some respect. If only most right wing Christians would concede that Genesis is a story about God's love of all that he created, and not a science textbook, it would go a long way towards eliminating their tribal opposition to science.

In other news, Protestant opposition to abortion is actually younger than the Happy Meal:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblic al-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/

It used to be that abortion was a uniquely Catholic obsession, and adopting the Catholic view of abortion was how the Religious Right got the Catholics on their side. Oh well, what's a little dicey theology when there are elections to win?

That guy - 2013-01-15
I'm not sure he was conceding that it's just a story...
I'd even guess he thinks that's where metaphor and analogy come from.

hughmanatee - 2013-01-14
"If you hack, twist and misquote everything you can pretty much make it say whatever you want and that's not searching for truth."
Blue - 2013-01-14
The Bible was divinely inspired.

It was also divinely edited, because God got it wrong the first time. If you want evidence that there's errors in the Bible, look no further than the fact that other denominations of Christianity can't even agree on which books are part of the Bible.

I tried to read it once. I was struggling with same sex attractions and wanted guidance. The Bible was not what I expected. It would be like if you went to read the constitution and found that everything past the second amendment was pedophile erotica.
EvilHomer - 2013-01-14
It really is an awesome read, isn't it?

IrishWhiskey - 2013-01-14
The same polygamy and child rape conservatives claim result from tolerating homosexuality, is the stuff God is wildly in favor of in the Old Testament. Even in the New Testament, it's hard not to notice that the apostles who condemned homosexuality (not Jesus) had some messed up and unhealthy attitudes toward sex in general, as well as toward women.

But sure, let's trust the old Nazi virgin managing a pedophile protection ring from his bejeweled throne while wearing ruby slippers, a gold cape and staff, and a foot-high hat, as to how to manage our own sex lives and relationships, based on the voices he hears in his head. It's not like the Church has every been wrong before.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2013-01-15
Stephen Fry: It's in the Bible …
Alan Davies: I haven't read it!
Stephen Fry: You should—it's hilarious.

Riskbreaker - 2013-01-15
Imagine if a poorly written internet fan-fic was found 1000 years in the future, and used to form a religion.
SolRo - 2013-01-15
The wiki version of the internet fan-fic, without editing citations/history.

EvilHomer - 2013-01-15
Mockers and scoffers. Listen not to the tongues of trolls, my fellow Sonichuites! Do not waver in your devotion to Our Virgin Father and His Only Begotten Hedgehog Son. Atheists are no better than heathen Gontermanians, or those suicide bombing maniacs from the Tranny Church of the Mouthanus! Riskbreaker and SolRo shall spend an eternity on the moon, suffering eternal cockblocking at the hands of Jerkops, while we faithful lambs ascend to the Game Place and a life of blissful, tax supported idleness with our boyfriend free girls and video game consoles.

Zap to the Extreme, Amen.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2013-01-15
And EvilHomer lives up to his name, because I can SO see that shit happening, putting a ruinous end to millions of years of human evolution.

Rudy - 2013-01-15
I'm fine with the idea as long as it's this fanfic:


robotkarateman - 2013-01-15
Ah, the straw man, Christ's greatest disciple.
No non-christian I know has ever accused the Bible of being inaccurate because of bats. It's inaccurate because of things like Judas' multiple deaths.
But if you already believe in a god who sends bears to kill children then magically writing off every challenge to your faith as a translation error doesn't much effort.
EvilHomer - 2013-01-15
Well, God sent a bear to bestow upon Our Virgin Father his True Name, an event which set him upon the Via Dolorosa ( www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Bear ), so sending bears to kill children is totally believable.

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