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Blue
Or whatever...
The Mothership
wait, so is this guy on our side, or on the side of the doors? cause the great door war never ended you know....it was just a truce....
Blue
I don't understand why this pattern exists. It's basically the same emotional manipulation that the Hospital Pattern is, except it's not even remotely passable as a normal conversation. Also you're supposed to have sex with the girl first.

If she's insecure and compliant enough to not drop you after you try to pull this shit on her, why are you even doing it in the first place?
Sexy Duck Cop
While looking up "Hospital Pattern," I found this:

"Alright, here we go… Do you know how Tension Loops work? If you’ve read Swinggcat’s book, it is about that story of the cat named George…Pain/Pleasure/Pain Push/Pull kinda thing..That is the
General Patronage version, in the context of October Man, you have to amp up the pain and the pleasure..Everytime you talk about something pleasurable you anchor it to you physically or just by special gestures. I use a unique stare…Every time you go to Pain you anchor it away by gesturing, or just look away..Remember to really
bring out her Pleasurable states by patterning or just Trance Hi-Jack or create that into filters, SRT just as used in the new SS model..Really work on the positive states, stack them up multi-modal anchoring, then immediately contrast it with something really Painful and terrible…Imagine a flaming ball of fire, then freezing it till
it becomes ball of ice, then heating it up till it ignites, the
contrast has to be that intense and RAPID FIRE. Do not fluff talk if possible… If you are familliar with Fractionation, you’d have already noticed that at each pass YOU ARE BUILDING RESPONSE POTENTIAL on both
polarities..Each pass you fractionate the pain so its intensifying, while also intensifying the pleasure back to you…Do multi Anchoring for pleasure states to be more effective i.e. simulatenous touch,
tonality,stare etc…."

So if you ever want to have sex, do exactly this.

Blue
I know that's the first Google hit, but goddamn that's just fucking gibberish.

The Hospital Pattern is, I shit you not, a forbidden pattern. It is the first of three forbidden patterns that together, form a routine called The October Man Sequence. When the men who created it put it into practice, they were so horrified at the terrible power it commanded over women that they vowed to destroy every last vestige of it's memory lest it fall into the wrong hands.

They burned all their research notes and deleted every file, but what they didn't realize was that on that fateful day that they deployed that devastating routine, a man was in the bar watching them, taking notes for a book he was writing on the PUA scene. That man was Neil Strauss Kahn.

(I made up the part about destroying the files, but pretty much everything else is literally true. Mentions of these patterns get dealt with by the moderators in many PUA forums)

Here's a good example of the actual Hospital Pattern:

Did you hear about (insert famous person or aquintance) who went to the hospital for something (anchor here) and never came out?

By the way, I had a doggie that I loved and one day it just disappeared (use same anchor here with more intensity), {keep building value of doggie} she was so good to me, she would wait for me after school and she would just kiss me and knock me down ever so gently. We would roll on the floor and play all kinds of games.

We would chase each other, she would fetch for me, she even slept in my room (what could you do with this?) but then one day, I came looking for her and she wasnt there. You have no idea what it feels like to loose someone like that (anchor). For days you look for her, you post posters, you post rewards. No matter what you do, its over, gone out of your life. (anchor).

Oscar Wildcat
If a girl or boy wants to fuck you, it doesn't really matter what you say, you will get to fucking at some point. Conversely, if this person does not want to fuck you, you can talk yourself blue in the face and it will not help matters. Attractive people of both sexes make a great effort to convince themselves that all other kinds of factors go into these decisions, largely to assuage their egos that some random genetic jackpot is not the sum total of their success. Unattractive people play the same game, for roughly the same reasons.

SteamPoweredKleenex
It's all "Neuro-Linguistic Programming" garbage, which is to psychology what homeopathy is to treating cancer.

Can you tell someone a sad story and swing them over to feeling sorry for you? Maybe. Can you run "patterns" and get a reaction the same way as running a program on a computer? No.

And if you bought into this BS, you're as gullible as whoever you tricked into bed.

TheOtherCapnS
Gullible/Severely autistic

Blue
For the record, I'm not a PUA. I'm interested in the subject of Neuro-Linguistic Programming for the same reason some women read dirty novels about vampires. It's a sexual fantasy. PUAs are these tough, dangerous bad boy types, with the magical power to control women't minds through a rain-man like understanding of the human mind.

They're uncomplicated. I don't have to date them or work around their dietary restrictions or meet their primary girlfriends and work through complicated feelings about them.

They are misogynist pricks. They can talk dirty and be rough and do sick shit. They don't need reassurance that yes, I really want to do this. They don't need me to give them aftercare and help them through any complicated feelings that they might have about it. I don't need to deal with any complicated feelings about my own desires, either. It's not my fault that guy with the Jedi mind tricks is such a pervert.

Oh, and when they're done, they fuck off and don't call you ever again because they're too busy trying to fuck as many women as possible. I don't have to indulge their weird fucking adult baby fetish next weekend and I don't have to feel bad about it.

Of course, in real life PUAs are a about 60% - 80% nerds that are trying to develop social skills (I can relate to that) and about 20% - 40% misogynist assholes with anger issues. Their art is a few social skills, lots of perseverance, and an extra large helping of bullshit. NLP is 100% bullshit, and anyone that can't figure that out is an idiot.

Oscar Wildcat
So sex with Blue requires "aftercare"? Will my health insurance cover that, if you won't?

Blue
I may cut some corners when it comes to the emotional safety of imaginary people in my erotic fantasies, but I assure you, I am always happy to provide aftercare! If you need to cuddle or have some physical touch I am happy to provide that to anyone I play with. That doesn't include nudity or sexual touch if we don't have that relationship, but if one of us has clothes on, cuddling is fine. I am more than happy to provide reassurance or a shoulder to cry on. I will fetch you a blanket, refreshments or your clothes. I will keep something on hand if I know you like it.

I will help you with any first aid needs, I will help you clean up places that you cannot reach yourself, and we can watch TV for an hour or so if you need some time to get your head back together. Follow up calls available upon request. I like doing aftercare.

Insurance doesn't cover aftercare, but it may cover certain scenes and sex acts that qualify as "alternative medicine". I do offer acupuncture, cupping and urophagia treatments.

Old_Zircon
If the one person I've met who really believed in NLP (not for pickup but for life in general) is any indication, whatever your mental image of that sort of person might be you are probably being far too generous.

Old_Zircon
Also, in reference to Blue's first post, "if she's insecure and compliant enough to not drop you after you try to pull this shit on her, why are you even doing it in the first place?" answers itself.

Sexy Duck Cop
Step 1 of this seduction technique is to already have a woman be deeply in love with you.

Step 2 is to make sure she's not into door business at all.

Step 3 is to track her phone's GPS signal so you can control her behavior via coded language ala The Manchurian Candidate.

Why does PUA advice always read like a fever dream?
Innocent Bystander
I have a feeling that if you would do with an actual living and breathing person, they would at some point say: "Hmm, yeah the door... Anyway, wow, it's getting real late and I have this thing in the morning so maybe I'll give you a call next week?"
zerobackup
The absolute worst part of all, there has to be some subset of the female population that would totally fall for this kind of ridiculousness. I feel bad for everyone involved.
Blue
For what it's worth, I doubt this particular technique actually works. PUAs are actually doing some things right, particularly compared to the Nice Guys that hang out in your friendzone. PUAs ask for sex and more importantly, seem like they'd rather go back to the bar and try to charm their way into someone else's panties than hang out with you and pretend to be your friend when you don't want to fuck them any more. A guy that knows how to fuck off is sexy indeed.

Also, it's mostly a numbers game. They may get more yeses than you, but they also get waaaaay more no's than you do.

Bort
"Nice Guys" in the "friend zone" seem to fall into two categories (or maybe it's a spectrum with two basic polarities):

- genuinely well-meaning guys who believe a woman may change her mind about romance if you're a decent person, and don't get why it never seems to work

- manipulative worms who are positioning themselves for an opportunity to strike

The mistake both are making, and yes I'm generalizing, is: women are likely to decide pretty quickly whether romance is even a possibility, so try to find out sooner than later whether she's interested. And if she's not, decide whether she's still worth being friends with, with the understanding that no girlfriendery will come out of it either way. The worst thing you can do is circle like a jumbo jet waiting for a runway to open up below; eventually the jet runs out of fuel and the results are never pleasant.

Since I'm dispensing advice as if I know anything about anything: ladies, understand that, when you offer a gentle let-down like "can we just be friends?" that stands a good chance of being interpreted as "I find you generally unappealing, but saying that would be impolite". If you're serious about being friends, show it just a little: "I'm going to go miniature golfing later, wanna join me?" But if you don't want to be friends, don't mislead him. The guy in question is quite possibly looking for validation that he's a worthwhile person, and he has it in his head that a date (and even better, a relationship) will prove it once and for all. That's not yours to fix, but you can at least not feed his doubts about his basic value by saying "friends" and then blowing him off.

FABIO
Die Hard 2 was really just a metaphor for courtship.

Blue
That is a really good explanation of the friendzone dynamic.

Bort
It's been said before, but imagining there is such a thing as a "friendzone" is toxic, because it implies that "just friends" is a transitional state. When Obama's socialist agenda finally takes over and sex education is taught from kindergarten onward by gay atheist Muslims, I really hope they bother to clear this up.

Not that I can blame people for getting it wrong; a huge number of TV shows and movies teach that, if the guy just keeps being a decent guy long enough, eventually the girl of his dreams will perceive his charms and fall for him. Without some amount of social experience it's going to be tough to see through the bullshit; without seeing through the bullshit it's going to be tough to get the social experience. It's easy to laugh at these guys or get fed up with them, I get that, but I also get that they've been sold a bunch of malarkey and are doing the best they can with a very bad map.

Old_Zircon
Back in the day we didn't have "nice guys" and "friend zones," just poor unfortunates who thought John Hughes movies were real (and Ducky was a positive role model).

Syd Midnight
The only women this shit would work on would have to be stalkerishly insane or psychotically co-dependent, which makes them predator as much as prey. They'll marry the PUA, have a kid and a divorce, and then the PUA levels up and becomes an MRA and makes videos bawling about how women are manipulative users.

boner
Stephen Hawking gets a lot of pussy this way
Oscar Wildcat
God yes. Like a Dalek putting the moves on you.

Blue
Fun fact: Carl Sagan once called a friend he hadn't seen in years and had never dated and asked if she would marry him.

She said yes and they stayed married for the rest of his life.

memedumpster
There is nothing about this that doesn't make me happy I'm going to die cold and alone.
FABIO
This is so damn bizarre. So the point of this whole thing is to take hookups and weed out anyone worth seeing long term in order to turn it into long term thing?
SteamPoweredKleenex
I think they see it as some kind of exercise in power. Your goals are to fuck as many women as possible, use their emotions against them, and be able to destroy them at will when you no longer want them around.

This is, of course, about as realistic as trying to develop superpowers with which you will impress, enslave, and vaporize anyone you want.

Blue
Actually, in this case it works pretty well. NLP is fucking bullshit, but this pattern is straight up regular emotional manipulation. It's straight up abusive behavior on it's own, without the help of NLP magic. People get away with treating their girlfriends like this all the time. It's mostly a matter of picking your victim well and making sure you're their only support system.

SteamPoweredKleenex
I'm not sure how YouTube etiquette is supposed to work. Is it bad form to upload AND like your own video, like this guy did, especially since it's his only video?
svraz
Watch the D.E.N.N.I.S. episiode of It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. I am pretty sure most of you have seen it but if you haven't it is an amazing satire on the PUA thing. Seriously, watch that shit now. Here is a link to the scene: http://youtu.be/QZuOKUrwoys
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