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Tags:racism, sons of confederate soldiers, Matthew Heimbach, not white people just poorly thought out ones
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Date:06/09/13
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Bootymarch
The confederate shit and adolf hitler say it all in the first 3 minutes of this video. There is nothing that this guy could possibly say that would redeem himself after that. But thankfully he didn't even attempt trying. He didn't give even one example of the so called "white disadvantage" that he constantly squawks about(like, he didn't even play the affirmative action card), and he pissed himself in front of a dude when he was really called on his bullshit. This documentary will hopefully lead to a hell of a lot more hate mail.

also

mutoid baleen at 19:18
Jet Bin Fever
bwahaha mutoid baleen.

Senator_Unger
I am fairly certain he wouldn't be considered "white" in the time he so desperately wants to return to.
IrishWhiskey
I am fairly certain the time he so desperately wants to return to doesn't exist.

His defense against racism is "I also dislike and oppose white people who don't think like me in terms of politics and religion." He's just built up in his imagination that there was a golden era responsible for everything good when everyone thought like him, and he was entitled to have others agree with him and praise him.

Sanest Man Alive
I honestly laughed at how this chucklefuck and his brownshirts in training all think of Europe as some homeogenized lump of white purity. At the least, I'd like to send him to Wales, watch him complain to people about their thick Scottish accents, and count the number of fists that find his face.

IrishWhiskey
He thinks his "night patrol" is a brilliant PR move (Who could oppose safety and stopping criminals? This just proves his black critics promote crime!), but he just comes across as the creepy lovechild of Dwight Shrute and George Zimmerman.

Sure it's non-violent and calls the cops... when the cameras are there. But one dust-up with a black student, and the next night they'll be carrying guns and looking for people in hoodies.
Bort
About Trayvon Martin ... suppose instead it had been a white kid named Travis Martin that George Zimmerman had followed. Is there anyone, anywhere, who would think what Zimmerman was doing was defensible? Maybe you could find a few grizzled old mountain men who hate all teenagers, but that's it; everyone else would agree that Zimmerman was at best a creepy stalker and at worst spoiling to pick a fight.

The fact that people come to any other conclusion, when you flip white Travis to black Trayvon, is proof of how much it's about race.

There are all kinds of racism (and some of the Red State Update podcasts are unintentionally brilliant at dissecting this), including some sort of vague tribal sense that whatever minority group are "outsiders" and need to be kept in check. So fair enough, this bunch of idiots doesn't want to kill all black people or whatever; that's the very best I can say about them.

Old_Zircon
Wait a second, you don't think Red State Update is real, do you? I just misunderstood, right?

Bort
No, Red State Update isn't real, but I think they get their subjects well enough that, even when they're just goofing off, they can express what's going on in the right wing mind with surprising clarity. This is the opposite of, say, "An American Carol", where they have zero understanding of the left wing mind and in fact don't even care to understand it, so all that comes out is strawmen.

Scrimmjob
jesus christ, that was painful to watch.
Rodents of Unusual Size
But you inevitably feel better about yourself.

Most painful for me is seeing these idiots trying to actually talk with black people and denying that there is anything they are doing to promote hatred when they turn around and demonize every ethnicity that isn't them.

The entire white supremacist movement is so coded nowadays and that is really what concerns me, because in the past these morons didn't attract nearly the numbers they do now. This is a really interesting example. If you listen to what their guest speaker is saying and what they are saying, everything bad about society can be traced to other ethnic groups being either violent or illogical without admitting any of the more unsavory truths they gloss over about oh, how Hitler killed 8 million people.

Oh how silly we are for bringing up THAT old chestnut!

Sanest Man Alive
The new face of racism: a passive-aggressive shaved potato that can't comprehend sharing with others the privileges it's been steeped in from birth as anything other than an attack on its impossible snowflake dreams.

...So yeah, basically the same as every other fucking face of racism. Hell, the KKK first organized under the same premise of "Land's sakes, there's blacks out there robbing and raping everyone! We need to band together and nip it in the bud!"
memedumpster
Dear War Spirit in the Bloody Dripping Sky, as we set out to find the horrid darkie Satan which crawls our white campus plotting abominations, we beseech ye, Whose Teeth Drip With Hate, that we not find any. Seriously, don't steer us at that shit.
cognitivedissonance
They always have German last names, don't they?
Old_Zircon
Germans are just a naturally racist people, it's in their blood.

bac
"Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, twenty-two minutes declination... no sighting.
Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, twenty-three minutes declination... no sighting.
Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, fifty-eight minutes declination! ...no sighting."
kingarthur
These guys remind me of Anthony Hervey, but white. I posted some of Hervey's videos on the site. He's known for roaming Ole Miss and Oxford, MS, beating people up and carrying a Confederate flag.
kingarthur
Also, why do these sorts of people ALWAYS pray before they start their shit? ALWAYS.
bac
Because they're doing the lords work!

I really want to know their viewpoints on that though. Are white people gods favorite or what? I do like how it betrays their belief that America should only be a white country. which kinda makes me nauseous.

Bort
Expression of tribal solidarity? So much of this really strikes me as ape vs. ape tribal instincts looking to find expression in modern society.

bac
I'm not going to even mention them clapping in regards to it having been the anniversary of Lincolns assassination.

Don't these mother fuckers know one of the main reasons crackers don't need an organization promoting their heritage is that...well...The fucking Mics have got their own parade. I can't trip over some small town that doesn't have it's own little wop festival with their country of origin flag colors painted on the curbs. And don't even get me started on fucking strassenfest/germenfest/oktoberfests. Sweet merciful christ how many festivals do you fucking krauts need?

Most white americans have the luxury of knowing where they're bloodline hails from before their more recent ancestors crossed the atlantic. You kinda don't get that when you're black. That of course still leaves asians, curry indians and hispanics. But they all have their own little festivals just like the european descended americans have theirs.

Same reason you don't have that many racist white jokes. Don't need em. whites can get way more specific in our dislike of a white person not born from our country. Which then goes back to the bullshit idea these bastions of genetic intellectual superiority have about white europeans not hating each other (I'm not saying they do but they sure as hell have). Do you know the shitstorm it caused if an irish and an italian wanted to marry sixty years ago?

These people bother me more than out and out white racists. If you want to hate on a group of people because of the way they look or because of what you think they do. Fine, you're just a moron. But if you're an intelligent person who thinks white heritage is some grandiose thing? you only get to do that by refusing to acknowledge the atrocities (southern) white people committed against black people and the complete apathy of other (northern) white people who let it happen. Yeah, white people have done some cool shit. But the only reason being white helped them do it is because they were allowed to focus on what they did instead of focusing on not being murdered for wanting to vote.
RedHood
Did you hear that Black people? Detroits all for you!
Rodents of Unusual Size
I had to stop this at the supremely awkward point this meathead thought it would be a good idea to ask members of the black student union if they wanted to patrol with them. Ewwww.

Also, I just (by coincidence) was perusing a gay porn site while I listened to this, wherein black gentlemen fucked white gentlemen. It really cleanses the palate.
Gmork
There's definitely a double standard for white folks and "racial pride". There are examples everywhere of "racial pride" that is tolerated from every ethnic group with the exception of white people.

Keep in mind, I personally think it's retarded to be racist or have pride in being of a certain race simply for its own sake.

The issue isn't "white people should be allowed to feel prideful" because to me that is a retarded goal for any person based on their race, but the tolerance that everyone else accepts latino pride, black pride, etc, as a unanimously positive message and white pride as being unanimously considered intrinsic to a racist mentality is kind of disconcerting.

Basically pride in race is dumb, but the only people who catch real hell on a consistent basis are white people. It's not like white people are the only group with a racially xenophobic subculture. It goes in all directions, and no corner of the world is free of bigots, so it's weird how people decide in what manner they are hypocritical.
Bort
If you want to talk about white pride and feel obligated to say "but not like the KKK", blame the KKK for sullying the concept of white pride in the first place. As with other activities that are in and of themselves neutral yet have cultural meaning (such as blackface), the problem is that bigoted assholes have attached negative implications to them.

memedumpster
White racists legislate in lines with their racism, which is why I think it gets a lot of attention, because of all the white racist legislators, judges, and law enforcement. Also, white pride, as it is generally understood, is based on the extermination, or enslavement, of other races.

Bort
Here's the Solomons wrestling with the very same issues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeSbePbLqDg

Bort
memedumpster: that's a really good point and one that's easy to overlook -- something like how religion wouldn't matter to atheists except that religion finds its way into law and goes beyond a personal choice.

asian hick
Hey dumbfuck, your mistake is equating benign expressions of racial pride by minorities within an overwhelmingly white culture with this guy's "white pride."

Do some research. This is the guy who wants to have all-white patrols on campus late at night to protect white women from savage negroes. The guy who believes slavery wasn't such a bad thing. That's not harmless pride for one's heritage. That's straight-up racism purposely dressed up to sound like minority pride movements.

And you bought it hook line and sinker.

Bootymarch
Expression of racial pride by minorities isn't necessarily benign; take the noi for example (hmm, almost seems like it's most inflammatory when religion is involved). I don't think gmork "bought" anything because he said pride in race is dumb to begin with.

Gmork
Asian hick - what the fuck kind of stupid drugs are you taking? I hope you're not talking to me, because if you are it makes me wonder if you actually read what I said or just skimmed it for key words and set up your jump to conclusions mat.

asian hick
Your very first sentence is you whining about a double standard for racial pride among white people versus minorities. That you think there is a double standard implies that you see racial minority "pride" and white "pride" as in some sense equivalent. Since you've shown a tendency in the past to pontificate on things with actually doing any research on them, I assumed you knew nothing about this guy and his white student union. I then mentioned what a sham white pride is. I can see how white pride and--say--asian pride could be confusing, the names sound similar!

The fact you didn't respond with any sort of substantive criticism and instead went pure ad hominem would seem to indicate even you, at some level, understand this.

Also, you might want to check your privilege. You live in a culture largely controlled by white people. If you don't understand why a member of a minority group might want to have pride in their own culture and identity and not completely assimilate, it might just be that you're a member of the dominant culture and have no perspective. Or are you like my grandmother and think that if you don't assimilate completely into white culture, you are a troublemaker?

misterbuns
asian hick's argument is wonderful evidence of gmork's claim.

A+

Asians like high grades, right?

misterbuns
Tubby Potator has a point, but he is approaching the problem backwards.

FACT: To Americans, racism (sexism too) is generally a culturally acceptable feature of cultures worldwide. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, South American, Italian, Russian, Israeli, Iranian all are far more racist than America but it's generally seen as a quaint idiosyncrasy that is impolite to criticize. Within American immigrant and nonwhite populations racism is also alive and well. Listening to Latinos talk about black people is like time traveling back to the jim crow era. Chinese cinema portrays Japan in a blackface like grotesque. 'White Girl' is more or less seen as an insult because of hiphop culture. Anti-Korean racism in the black community of Los Angeles fomented tensions during the LA Riots. Ever heard Ice Cube's song 'Black Korea'. PSSSH Black people can't be racist! Sure, there are plenty of white racists too, but they get called on and hated for it.


All of these people, the whole world really, gets to be racist. White Americans are the only ones who get demonized for it: all white americans and usually the ones who have little or no cultural history with it.

I'm not sure what Tubby here is trying to do by getting in on the party. Racism of any kind is dumb and gross and the answer isn't more of it.

asian hick
The arguments get weaker the longer the video has been up.

Who here has said other races and cultures can't be racist, you idiot? No one has argued that. That you fail to engage my or any others' arguments and instead resort to a classic strawman is evidence you have no clue what you're talking about.

Do we at least agree that this guy and his "white pride" is a disgustingly racist sham? If you need more evidence, google his name and CPAC or find video of his comments on slavery and segregation. This is a hardcore white supremacist.

If we don't agree, then I really have nothing more to say to you. If we do, then the question becomes one of whether racial and cultural pride movements by minorities are racist. What should minorities in the United States do? Assimilate completely into a culture largely dominated by white people? Let me guess, you also think black fraternities and sororities are divisive and unnecessary because you're too privileged to realize that the whole Greek system is essentially a white fraternity/sorority? The logical end for this line of thought is that multiculturalism is divisive and even dangerous. It's telling that Matt Heimbach himself is on record as saying "diversity is not a strength."

Do I think you're a white supremacist? No. Do I think you're lacking perspective because of your privilege? Absolutely.

Have there been minority pride movements that are truly divisive/dangerous? Of course. But they get trotted out as bogeyman by the Right every time the issue of race and/or multiculturalism comes up. On balance various races maintaining a sense of identity is a benign thing and something that should be encouraged.

misterbuns
"Let me guess, you also think black fraternities and sororities are divisive and unnecessary because you're too privileged to realize that the whole Greek system is essentially a white fraternity/sorority? The logical end for this line of thought is that multiculturalism is divisive and even dangerous. It's telling that Matt Heimbach himself is on record as saying "diversity is not a strength."

Do I think you're a white supremacist? No. Do I think you're lacking perspective because of your privilege? Absolutely."

lol. you don't know anything about my life, but you think you do because you think I'm white and privileged.

That's called racism.

There's nothing wrong with black student unions. Sorry to disappoint you.

C-

:(

asian hick
Tell me, then. What race are you? If you are white, I'll submit you are inherently privileged and probably lack perspective.

It really doesn't matter, though because I can't help but notice no one has dared to touch my central argument yet. I'll repeat it again:

What should minorities in the United States do? Assimilate completely into a culture largely dominated by white people? Racial and ethnic pride movements by minorities are largely benign and necessary in a culture dominated by one race to maintain some sort of identity for minorities.

bac
GAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. White people have pride heritage celebrations all the fucking time. They're called St. Patricks Day, Germanfests, and little Italy Festivals. All of that is to say nothing in regards to how completely pointless having a white pride celebration would be. The entirety of culture is a celebration of being white. We don't have a white history month. Because EVERY fucking month is white history month. We don't need a special interest group to look out for us because it's already the entire government (That one can actually be debated but you debate it on economic grounds). That's the reason I get so pissed off at people who think it's 'funny' that white people can't show cultural pride. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD ABOUT. Being white didn't help anybody accomplish anything. But neither did being black or any other race for that matter. What makes the accomplishments of a minority important, at all, is that they were able to do something in american society despite not being white.
Mother_Puncher
This pretty much sums up a lot of knee-jerk reaction movements to other movements. MRA, Straight Marriage Awareness, etc are basically a group of nerdy white kids patrolling a predominantly white campus looking for imaginary black-on-white crime that they will probably never find.
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