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Desc:By chewing through her own bra used as a gag and running through the forest for two days
Category:Horror, Crime
Tags:escape, serial killer, Ridgefield, not a hole deep enough
Submitted:The Mothership
Date:04/19/14
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Comment count is 33
oddeye
Haven't/refuse to check but I'm betting "If you didn't want it you would have fought as hard as this chick." is one of the comments.
ashtar.
Only 351 views and 2 comments so far, but, yeah, inevitable.

Mother_Puncher
Only 2 comments and nothing like that. Not yet at least

ShiftlessRastus
That didn't take long...

HyperonPrime
10 hours ago

Very brave and awesome lady. How come other "rape victims" don't struggle and fight back this hard?

Yeah I'm sure you were "brutally raped" when the only fight you put up was a gentle slap and whispering no after you came hard. Maybe you shouldn't dress like a SLUT and dance like a ho if you didn't want it?

How come 99% rapes are reported sometime after the fact? Usually after a parent/boyfriend/bill-paying husband finds out they have been WHORING around? How come it's never reported immediately or even during the rape? But if a man comes forward and says he was sodomised by a group of powerlifting amazons I get laughed out of the DMV? If I was a woman who had been forced to dress as a clown and buggered silly I would have been on the news within the hour.

When it comes to rape, WHORES have all the crooked laws wrapped around their meaningless ring finger.

Jet Bin Fever
It's amazing that she survived. Not a hole deep enough to bury that asshole in is right. I guess they never caught him, or what happened?
Old People
The creature's name is Warren Forrest. It killed at least one girl, maybe as many as six or more. It was a Vietnam vet, married, with children, and was employed as a Park Ranger in the forest where it brought its victims. It was arrested in '74, sentenced to Life in '79, and is up for parole this year. It claims insanity and that it has reformed, but it modus operandi in approaching its victims indicates a rational, calculating mind.
Part of me believes that the death penalty is barbaric and that torture in any form is abhorrent, part of me wants to gouge Mr. Forrest's eyes out with my thumbs and bury the monster alive in a coffin.

The Mothership
http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/apr/17/survivor-recalls-night-o f-terror/


I grew up not far from both where she was abducted and where she was almost murdered. Southwest Washington is a hotbed of child porn, meth and child serial killers, including one of the most famous, Westley Allen Dodd, who killed two kids in 1989.

ashtar.
http://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/forrest-warren-leslie.htm

The lady in the video was 15 at the time. Damn.

Hooker
I probably wouldn't have the composure to say this if it was someone I knew that this happened to - even someone I didn't like - but it's worth asking what type of society you want to live in. Normal people of rational and empathetic mind wouldn't do this; possibly even couldn't if they (somehow) needed to. The people who do this are diseased. So the question is, do you want to live in a society that kills people for being diseased if the symptoms of that disease are bad enough? How far is it from a symptom being rape and murder to a symptom being a highly contagious and painful death? Because we could eliminate a lot of dangerous diseases depending on where we want to set the bar on this.

That guy
I don't know if that was an articulate thought, but I think you're getting at how brutally complicated an issue capital punishment is?

That guy
Also, I don't have the nerve to watch this because I hate serial killers and psychopathic murderers so much I can't stand it.

Hooker
Well, for me, I don't think capital punishment is a complicated issue. The government/state/whatever you want to call it should not have the right to kill people, in my opinion.

exy
I too am opposed to the death penalty. Serial killers should be locked away and studied. Someone who's too broken just shouldn't be let loose. The problem is everyone wants to score the political points for finding lots of broken people and therefore being that much more the savior. If only society's actions had anything to do with reason.

Anyway, this lady is awesome for not only having escaped but being willing to share her story.

Old_Zircon
I haven't watched this yet and assumed it was about the woman who recently came out with a similar story from around the same time, when she escaped from a known but uncaught (I think, I heard about it a few years ago) trucker who picked up hitchhikers and then imprisoned and tortured them in his truck for weeks before killing them.

Seems to me like this stuff happened more in the 70s and 80s.

oddeye
TV was a lot shitter back then and a lot of good meds have come out since. There really is little need to kill as often as the greats if you can get the right help.

Riskbreaker
Study these lunatics as much as science can, then kill them. There's not a single argument to keep these people alive.

Gmork
Argument 1:So they can be raped in jail.
Argument 2: So they can contemplate what they've done wrong.
Argument 3: So they are miserable for as long as possible.

Something like that. Waste of capital resources though.

oddeye
Advocating the rape of someone in jail, very classy. Should serial killers be studied? Absolutely. Should non-rapist serial killers be tortured to death slowly over the course of many years? Absolutely not.

Non-rapist serial killers should be held in mental hospitals where they may be studied and their machinations controlled. Punishment enough for being caught.

ashtar.
I totally agree that the guy who did this deserves death. Some people are just fucked up and poisonous, and there's almost no chance they're ever going to come back from that. It's not so much a question of punishment as killing someone who will never do anything but harm for as long as they're alive.

HOWEVER, the question is whether we do have or are likely to have a criminal justice system that reliably separates the people that genuinely deserve death from those that don't. We do not, and it's unlikely. So, how many innocent (or just not deserving of death) people are you willing to kill in order to kill some people that really deserve it and would otherwise be in jail for life? "Zero" is pretty much the only acceptable answer.

And Gmork, the same thing goes for prison rape. Even accepting the premise that rape is an acceptable punishment, if we have a prison system where rape is common, it's not like only really bad people will get raped in prison. Mostly it will be the really bad people doing the rape, and getting away with it. How many guys in on pot charges are you willing to let get raped in order for you to feel better?

ashtar.
Oh, and capital punishment costs vastly more per person killed than to put them in jail for life.

Hooker
Man, some of you have some fucked up views on justice. There are all sorts of people I feel should get more or less punishment than they currently do, but I deal with my own emotional reaction to it myself. The system should not be about punishment, let alone punishment that suits the general population's bloodlust. It should be about, as best possible, solving the problem, rehabilitating the criminal, and preventing future crimes. "This guy deserves to die" is both irrelevant to to a reasonable concept of justice and a fucking insane thing for someone in civil society to say.

il fiore bel
Yes, revenge is a kind of waste of emotions and resources. But not everyone can be rehabilitated. Sometimes the only way to prevent future crimes is to just kill the motherfucker.

EvilHomer
"Sometimes the only way to prevent future crimes is to just kill the motherfucker."

I'm not even all that keen on the notion that criminal justice should be about "preventing crime" (assuming that goal is even possible), and this is one of the reasons why. People should only ever be punished for things they HAVE done, not for things they MIGHT possibly do, someday in the future. Increasing punishments beyond what would otherwise be considered justified, simply because such punishments might in theory remove a potential future threat to public order, sets dangerous precedents for PreCrime thinking. Hell, it IS PreCrime thinking! "Crime prevention" is all well and nice, but this principle should NEVER be invoked to justify punitive measures.

Also, ashtar - "Oh, and capital punishment costs vastly more per person killed than to put them in jail for life."

...that's an interesting paradox of capital punishment. The reason why death sentences are so costly is because of the lengthy appeals processes and exhaustive case reviews. The "quick" option is actually more costly for the state than the long-drawn one! However, there's another interesting thing to note. One of the major problems with the death penalty is the very real danger of executing innocent people. Yet, due to all the expensive legal attention given to capital punishment cases, you've actually got a MUCH better chance of being exonerated if you're on death row, than you would if you were serving a life sentence! Lifetime convictions are largely fire-and-forget; you get sentenced to life, and that's it, people stop caring about you. The chances of you getting your conviction overturned are slim. On the other hand, if you're on death row, there's something like a fifteen percent chance that you'll be set free (presumably higher if you're innocent, lower if you actually are guilty).


Like Hooker said, it's a complicated issue.

memedumpster
If there were a computer that records all our thoughts for playback, and evidence was truly 100% unassailable, would a death penalty be warranted for any crime?

If cryogenics and new power sources could preserve a human alive and frozen for a million years, would a standard life sentence be indistinguishable from an execution unless they were cryogenically preserved?

If they can never understand their crime, and we have the whole of physics figured out down to their choice for breakfast so there's nothing that can be learned, is execution's cost effectiveness greater than sentient life?

memedumpster
With technology and knowledge of near absolute reliability, is crime prevention the only ethical approach to crime?

ashtar.
Apparently, meme spent the time he was gone from poeTV adventuring in THE FUTURE.

wb, btw.

il fiore bel
"I'm not even all that keen on the notion that criminal justice should be about "preventing crime" (assuming that goal is even possible), and this is one of the reasons why. People should only ever be punished for things they HAVE done, not for things they MIGHT possibly do, someday in the future. Increasing punishments beyond what would otherwise be considered justified, simply because such punishments might in theory remove a potential future threat to public order, sets dangerous precedents for PreCrime thinking. Hell, it IS PreCrime thinking! "Crime prevention" is all well and nice, but this principle should NEVER be invoked to justify punitive measures."

I don't mean just kill off any old person who is accused of committing a crime. My point is some people can't be rehabilitated, and it's better to kill them off than waste resources feeding and clothing and housing them for 50 years. (Or at least it should be, I hear executions are ridiculously expensive.)

I'm talking about cases such as where some guy has been thrown into jail numerous times for raping children, and every time he's on parole, the first thing he does is rape another kid. There is a painfully obvious pattern here, and based on his history, it's a safe bet to say that if you let him loose again, he's going to find another kid to rape. And people are going to look at his history and wonder why this fucker hasn't been taken care of yet, because prison obviously isn't rehabilitating him. But if you have a better alternative, one that's guaranteed to work (or at least much of the time), I'm all ears.

Bort
I believe society has the right to decide that some members are simply too dangerous to let live, but A) since we can successfully keep a prisoner locked up if we want to, it's pretty much impossible for any prisoner to meet the burden of "too dangerous to let live", and B) while society may have that right in the abstract, in reality society does not exercise that right fairly or impartially, and so should not exercise it at all.

Nominal
Those bras ARE needlessly hard to get off.
dairyqueenlatifah
This guy's victim right after this lady actually got it way worse. He shot her in the chest, then stabbed her five times, then drug her by a noose around the neck for about 100 feet, then strangled her until she was unconscious. By some miracle, she didn't die, and when she came to, she was able to get up and run away and find help.
oddeye
Don't pick Rasputin as your torture doll.

Jet Bin Fever
Oh man. That's barbaric.

The Mothership
Gambol you're a fucking asshole.
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