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SolRo - 2015-11-22
some of those are clearly sand/dirt molds, so the whole pedantic video falls apart.

Jesus Christ this would be the most annoying person on the planet to see a movie with.
Raggamuffin - 2015-11-22
I might be able to deal with this guy if his presentation was "sometimes movies do things wrong, here are the cool real life facts!" instead of "I'm a giant shit who doesn't like movies because they are 'dramatic'"

boner - 2015-11-22
neil degrasse tyson is possibly a worse person to see a movie with.

glasseye - 2015-11-22
Still, he's totally right in that this is not how swords were made.

DriverStabby - 2015-11-22
Let's make a film where people forge swords wrong, at night, under the wrong sky for a known location and time of year. Then, film the reactions of this guy and NDT watching it together.

That five minute film would be more enjoyable than about 95% of the garbage coming out of Hollywood.

infinite zest - 2015-11-22
It's funny, just yesterday I was finishing up with work and got a beer and this dude comes in with a fucking longsword and sits right next to me.. I guess I sort of had to ask.. anyway he's the head of a swordfighting WMA called Drei Wunder and they practice in the same facility I work at. Cool guy, and reminded me of Lindybeige but I was kind of looking for an excuse to leave once he gave me his business card.. :)

EvilHomer - 2015-11-23
How does that invalidate "the whole pedantic video"? If you're going to try to be pedantic about a pedantic video, SolRo, you should at least take the time to understand what the Alpha Pedant you resent is actually saying.

Lloyd does NOT say that all molds in films are made of stone like marble, nor is his entire argument contingent upon the molds being made of such material. He presents the point "marble is a highly effective heat-sink, and thus, a terrible choice for molding molten metals within" simply as a significant example of things films often get wrong, one small part of his broader deconstruction of the Molded Swords trope. It's true that SOME films may have sand and/or dirt molds (care to list them by any chance?) but sand, dirt, marble, or even magical crystal - the fact remains that Lloyd is 100% correct, swords are not forged in this manner.

At least, not iron and steel medieval swords, of the type you see in fantasy movies. Bronze swords were and often still are cast in molds, but I don't want to complain too much, because A) LLoyd makes it clear that he's discussing iron-based swords, and B) the molds used to cast bronze blades are quite different from the molds you see in movies

Old_Zircon - 2015-11-23
The pedantry is the whole point of watching him.

oddeye - 2015-11-23
He couldn't have picked worse examples:

Valerian Steel swords HAVE to be melted down and cast because they don't know any other way to make them since the fall of Valeria and Urk-hai actually WANT their swords to shatter and send shards in all directions because they are suicide commando shock troops that don't give a fuck.

Sexy Duck Cop - 2015-11-22
That scene in Game of Thrones where Tywin smelted Robb's sword into two was fucking great.
DriverStabby - 2015-11-22
"How are you going to cast a 3d item in an open topped mold? Yes, you'll get the lower half of the sword, so what are you going to do? Cast two of them and sort of glue them back to back to make a sword?"

If I remember correctly, that was pretty much the premise of He-Man. 7 year old me never really bought it.

5 for swordfaggery.
SolRo - 2015-11-22
If I remember correctly pretty much all the movies that show swords being cast then also show them getting forged afterwards. Usually it's for mass production as some army is getting ready for war.

DriverStabby - 2015-11-23
He-Man is the only franchise I'm aware of, that had a sword that had been split down the middle to form two full swords. He-Man had one "sword-half-sword" of power; Skeleton-O had the other.

oddeye - 2015-11-23
Stick to casting your warhammer pork faggots or whatever buddy, cast iron/steel can be worked to make swords and molten silver can be fluxed to stay silvery.
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