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bawbag - 2017-01-24
Make Nazis Afraid Again.

MNAA MNAA, doo doo de doo doo.
memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Hey, orcs, I voted up your podcast, how long have you been making them?

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24

"Open yourself up with a razor, you'll be embracing god in no time."

Wow. Dude.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
"Ratting people out for a ban sure worked well with Orcs didn't it? Also if somebody was capable and willing -as you seem to think- to drop dox on users, it would be really fucking stupid -even by your usual standards- to try pushing their buttons wouldn't it? That's not a threat btw, that's just common sense.

If you believed it, why on earth would you be trying to provoke someone like that? This is exactly the kind of reason people constantly tell you to get help. You're back on for full fucking roasting dickhead."

Do you want me to be afraid of you? Is that what you want? You've been on this witch hunt for a while now. It's fucked up if you even desire for me to be afraid of you.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
Are you expecting sympathy with that post ratfuck of unending shittiness?

Do it.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
I desire for you to fuck off and never come back.

I'm ok with being 100% shitty to you until such time as you do.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
I want to know what your intentions are. I want to clear that up right now. I want you to be clear. You have mentioned wanting me off this site before and you have made that intention known. I want to know if you have the intention of trying to dox me if I don't.

If I keep posting, what should I expect?

bawbag - 2017-01-24
While we're quoting shit from each other's posts you fucking mental cunt, here's the last time you had a race-related breakdown:


Coincidentally, it was when you were forced to admit you'd said Trayvon Martin deserved it.

Almost two decades of shitty racist remarks on this site and the same amount of time spent blaming everyone else and denying you're a fucking loathsome nazi-lite.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
So if I keep posting, what are you going to do about it? Will you attempt to dox me?

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
The level of hatred you have for me in unfathomable. It goes beyond the hate I have for anyone or anything. I honestly can't imagine hating someone, anyone, for so long, the way you have with me. And that is the truth.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
Here's some more classic racism from rous:


"The elephant in the room is that there are black people out there who are racist as fuck and want nothing more than for white people to DIE. Doesn't matter if they are white citizens or white cops. They enjoy it, they get off on it, they cheer for it. Wake the fuck up. The people who lead this movement are secretly encouraging murder sprees. We over look black on white racism because it doesn't fit the narrative and it doesn't sell whatever you're hawking on CNN.

Fuck Black Lives Matter to the core of their being. I'm all for the right to protest but given the fact that they have already been infiltrated once by ISIS and are now TOTALLY NOT ENCOURAGING OR PROMOTING VIOLENCE AT ALL, we have cops being assassinated.

They don't care about black on black homicide, because that's all white people's fault, too. Everything is our fucking fault. They were colonized, so its to be expected that their people would murder each other whenever the hell they feel like it.

Fuck your trash culture and fuck you for defending it."

That time he directly just linked straight to actual stormfront material to make his shitty racist point: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=155096
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OR this one:

"They are proto-terrorists and they are offshooting into a segment that will produce more violence. Because that is what a certain percentage of them want.

I didn't shed a single tear for Michael Brown because you reap what you sow. I also didn't give a fuck about Trayvon OR George Zimmerman. Trayvon would have shot someone eventually. Zimmerman is a dumbass. Alton Brown had a gun on him and was resisting arrest, and had a huge rap sheet. Likewise, I feel nothing inside."


memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Ban doxxers, this isn't YouTube. This isn't going to be your own personal Kristallnacht staging site, that would make this place worse than Stormfront and we don't need our own Elliot Rogers.

Antifa are violent mobs and are a real threat to the populace. Fortunately, even in Europe, the police are cracking down on that shit, thank God, because Europeans aren't as well armed as the fascists there and can be victimized with little resistance.

I disagree with ROUS on a lot, a fuckload, but he's way more welcome than violent fascists.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
What will you attempt to do if I continue posting?

Will you attempt to dox me?

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
Just for the record, I did make two apologies. I apologized for linking to a Youtube channel user I didn't check for content or background and I apologized about my comment about Trayvon. What more do you want, for me to join your SJW Fan Club?

bawbag - 2017-01-24
You are obsessed with doxxing. I get that you want an excuse to rat me out like the snivelling little snitch that you are but I've stated my intentions clearly.

I repeat.
"I desire for you to fuck off and never come back.

I'm ok with being 100% shitty to you until such time as you do."

Doc Victor - 2017-01-24
Really curious, I think I got lost in the melee on the last video, but I am still wondering what the people here have done recently to physically intimidate, oppress, and destroy their enemies. Calling people names doesn't count!

POETV admin Bawbag, for example, is a proud veteran of World War II who reminds us what "we"(meaning xe and xes brothers/sisters/humyns in arms no doubt) used to do the nazis. My hat goes off to you, xir, and I hope there are a few people here who have big old nuts like you, bigger than it takes to just talk shit to strangers on the internet, spend the last 8 years stomping innocent Muslim babies of peace to death in the GWOT(like me), or even do more than this true hero who stood up tall for his beliefs and sucker punched a gay nazi once before fleeing into the safety of a crowd.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
great shitpost doc, should have stuck a 'snowflake' or something in there too while you're wildly farting out reddit-level jokes about the ESSJEYDUBBAYEWWWS all you old mra-wannabes get your balls in a knot over.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
bawbag, you've stated you are good over at Bo News.

I did leave my real name over on Bo News when it was first created when I signed up for an account. This is something I severely regret now, even though it's been years since I was banned there. I want to make sure there is no way you intend on getting my real name from Bo since I don't know how close you are with him.

I believe I have a right to know if being doxxed by you is something you consider a possibility. You have stated your intentions to get me off this site.

Will you pursue taking your hatred of me to a level where you will attempt to reveal my identity here? I need to know this because quite frankly, if you intend on doxxing me, that is information I need in order to assess if you pose a threat to my real life and therefore I should take that into consideration when posting here.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
If you make it clear to me that you have the intention of doxxing me, and are committed towards that action, I will agree to stop posting here.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
I don't have anything to do with bo (and doubt they would welcome me) other than using google to scrape old posts of yours to add to the decades worth of evidence that despite your constant denial, you are a consistently racist piece of shit.

Again, my intentions are clear you fucking rat.

"I desire for you to fuck off and never come back.

I'm ok with being 100% shitty to you until such time as you do."

bawbag - 2017-01-24
The only person going on about doxxing is you, pretty transparently trying to find a way to get support to ban me when I've done nothing against the rules.

"I desire for you to fuck off and never come back.

I'm ok with being 100% shitty to you until such time as you do."

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Doc Victor, I am a ragged useless dog to America, but I have seen the light. They say movies no longer inspire people, but I was inspired recently by a Canadian epic about a lone out of touch hero who found a greater calling and rose up to help his nation. It was called Elvis Meets Nixon.

I am going to use my Freeman powers of Jesuit Word Violence to write a letter to The Donald and wow him with my depth of historical and philosophical capacity for jokes, and get in good with him in trade for real power. Then, like Martin Heidegger to Hitler, Seneca to Nero, and Elvis to Nixon, I shall use that power to destroy the enemy. Once I am the Official Court Wizard of America, with a badge and everything, I shall create the Ministry of Satire, where all my jokes come with a tax credit for anyone who silences the butt of my righteous humor.

And to think I woke up restless and down and out, but now I see how truly great being American really is. All it takes is a pen and a piece of paper to completely cleanse the earth of filth, and I wont even have to lift a finger and act on it. We will be able to retire the whole nuclear arsenal by Lord Donald's second term, since I will edit the face of the earth and retcon evil wherever I see it.

Words really are the most dangerous thing in the world, Stalin was right! Good old Stalin, what a comedian!

I will keep you on the short list for Grand Vizier of Lean-Ins, it comes with a battalion of stormtroopers.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2017-01-24
So just so I'm clear, you will not commit to saying that you will or will not dox me in the future if I continue posting. You will not commit to assuring me your intentions will not extend towards taking actions which could very well threaten me in real life.

If I feel I am under genuine threat of retaliation in real life for my continued posting, I will stop. Just tell me either way so I can make that decision.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
"I desire for you to fuck off and never come back.

I'm ok with being 100% shitty to you until such time as you do."

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Also, bawbag totally tried doxxing LordCrocodilius in the other video, searched youtube, found what he thought was his real name, and then posted it here with a threat.

No idea why he's not banned yet.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
His videos are openly posted here, I didn't doxx shit. Look at his vid submissions for yourself.

Doc Victor - 2017-01-24
Meme we don't ban transmen of action here. Xe is just like an Irish Charles Bronson in a very nonbinary Iversion of death wish, taking out the trash on the internet when xe isn't kicking real live nazi ass and battling Trumpism on the mean streets of Dublin.

Besides, this is obviously very important to xit, we don't want anyone to get depressed and harm themselves because they got taken out of the cool kids circle on their favorite site.

POE is all about the "good times".

bawbag - 2017-01-24
Irish? Dublin? 'Cool kids' on PoETV? wew.

I'll have a slice of that amanita muscaria pizza too please.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
We can make them wear these little sad face emojis though, right, so we can recognize them in public?

It's for their own safety.

Spaceman Africa - 2017-01-24
hey guys what's goin on here

Doc Victor - 2017-01-24
Meme I don't give a care where you put me I just want a few small things; a Harem of otherized radical woke WOC to double as my bodyguards, free passes to the water park, and that my title will be 'exalted manticore'.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Spaceman Africa, we are going to build a water park.

A glorious water park.

We're going to make Oceania great again.

Oscar Wildcat - 2017-01-24
We were exploring what's appropriate concentration camp flair for the 21st century. Some kind of Emojii, it seems.

Wot's up with u?

15th - 2017-01-24
Space man we're about 200+ comments into a clusterfuck about free speech. One camp says fuck Nazis, their 2nd amnendment and they may need to be assaulted/killed for hateful rhetoric. The other says that's ironic.

Please label yourself as authoritarian hypocrite or a Nazi-sympathizing naive coward and join in!

simon666 - 2017-01-24
Hey guys. I know it's been stressful lately, but we needn't let out our stress this way. Have a smoothie or something and relax.

Two Jar Slave - 2017-01-25
INT, laboratory. SCIENTIST (50s, dumpy) views bird meat through a powerful lens.

Suddenly, the door bangs open and GAME WARDEN (31, hunky) storms into the lab. He's purplefaced, snarling, looking for a fight. With an overhead swing, he crashes his tranq rifle onto SCIENTIST'S work table. Glass and meat fly.


GAME WARDEN: I just had a little encounter with your test subject. Three of my men are dead!

He grabs SCIENTIST by collar, lifts him.

SCIENTIST: I -- I -- assume you mean -- subject bawbag?

GAME WARDEN: Is that your pet name for a nine-foot turkey on steroids, you crazy geek?

Game Warden's grip tightens.

SCIENTIST: I -- tried to -- warn -- you. To tell -- you...

Game Warden releases him. Scientist doubles over, gasping.

GAME WARDEN: After it got Monty, it couldn't have been hungry. But it just kept coming, clucking, gobbling, tearing my guys apart with its filthy nails and beak. Ali, Jenssen, Monty... they weren't saints, Doc, but they didn't deserve to be hacked apart by some gigantic dead-eyed bird. And -- for what? Monty's kid is coming up on five. How do I tell her that daddy was pecked to death by a huge turkey? What reason can I give her?

SCIENTIST: Reason? Oh, no. That's what makes the subject so dangerous, and that's what I tried to warn your men about. You see, the procedure led to something in its avian cortex being crosswired. Its feelings of danger, hunger, sex, pain, triumph, they're all perverted, intermixed, confused. It doesn't eat to be satisfied, it doesn't attack to feel safe. It attacks for pleasure, or perhaps because it doesn't know what else to do. Your men -- they were targeted simply because, well, because they were there.

The meaning of SCIENTIST'S words are sinking in. GAME WARDEN turns to him, horror etched into his handsome features.

GAME WARDEN: What are you saying...?

Before SCIENTIST can answer, we hear a deep rumble echo through the lab: gobble gobble, gobble gobble, gobble gobble -- CLUCK!


memedumpster - 2017-01-24
The other Nazis had Wagner, but I do prefer this grass roots fascist top of the pops vibe more. Sometimes epic falls a bit flat when it's obviously trying to be epic.

Remember kids, when fascists get violent, it's okay to kill them. Speech is protected, violence is not.

Brought to you by Clownshirt Drycleaning, "John Locke and Load(TM)!"

And to think I used to be strongly for gun control, then the fascist left happened.
Gmork - 2017-01-24
PoeTV has gone fucking insane since the trump election.

Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2017-01-24
I havent watched this clip yet. I dont want to see anyone get randomly punched in the face.
Also from a political point of view, what is this supposed to achieve? All I can think of it doing is galvanising those on the right. Groups are seemingly very strongly motivated by feelings of victimisation from their adversaries.
If you want to really instigate change you need to build up your own ideology and power-base, not childishly harass an opposing one.
bawbag - 2017-01-24
"If you want to really instigate change you need to build up your own ideology and power-base..."

I believe that's called democracy in a democratic society, the very thing that nazis wish to overturn. Calling for 'ethnic cleansing' and a 'white ethnostate' is inciteful speech and should be treated as such.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
"Why does the world shed crocodile’s tears over the richly merited fate of a small Nazi minority? … I ask progressives, I ask the Portal of Evil: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the American people and the universal spirit of Democracy?"

-Totally Not Hitler With Just the Nouns Changed

Bort - 2017-01-24
You know who I feel sorry for? The guy who punched Richard Spencer. You just know he could get totally laid over and over just by telling people he did it, but once word gets out he goes to jail. That's a bind to be in.
memedumpster - 2017-01-24
To be fair, he could get laid in jail, and no I don't mean rape you homofeeb.


Scrimmjob - 2017-01-24
According to 4chan peeps with too much time on their hands this is our hero:



bawbag - 2017-01-24
^They backpedalled on that after discovering the scat guy died ages ago.

Scrimmjob - 2017-01-24
After further investigation it seems like that's not probably the guy, since the shit eater fella seems to be dead! Ah well.

Scrimmjob - 2017-01-24
Go ahead and don't click that link, on account of it's fucking gross! Sorry boyo's!

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
It did look a bit photoshoppy. If it were real, however, I totally believe that guy'd get laid in jail.

Cena_mark - 2017-01-24
These Alt-right types are just phony shitbags. They play word games like calling themselves "race realists" rather than racists, and he goes on and on about so called "peaceful" ethnic cleansing. How's that even possible. How do you force people to leave their homes peacefully? Anyways, when "peaceful" ethnic cleansing fails the Nazis will fall back on the gas chamber.
Antifa FTW, Make Nazis scared again.
memedumpster - 2017-01-24
When they fall back on the gas chambers, they become active fascists and will be destroyed.

When you attack them pre-emptively, like it's the Bush Doctrine, you're the fascists and will be destroyed.

The problem here is one group of actual fascists are insisting a hypothetical group of fascists should be afraid, the fascists we are all thinking need to be taught some fear aren't them, they already know better.

Is there any other part of the Constitution you want to break your oath to while you're officially using the military as a terrorist training camp?

bawbag - 2017-01-24

Doc Victor - 2017-01-24
The coast guard oath is read over smooth jazz to applicants who are then only required to say "I promise!" enthusiastically

Xenocide - 2017-01-24

Rightie: I want to literally murder every man, woman, and child in the United States who is not white.

Leftie: I want to punch Rightie.


Cena_mark - 2017-01-24
That's because they start out trying to just appear respectable.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Look at that, confusing words with actions again.

Here is what happens :

Rightie : We need to fucking oppress all the people we disagree with! *does nothing*

Leftie : We need to fucking oppress all the people we disagree with! *goes on Kristallnacht to oppress and harm people*

memedumpster : Your actions are worse than words.

Lefties : Fuck you nazi fascist sympathizer!!! *continues with Kristallnacht*

memedumpster : It's okay to say those things, even though you act like fascists, now stop acting like fascists.


False equivalency is seldom so goddamned textbook as the fascist left.

Cena_mark - 2017-01-24
Oh meme, playing it off like Fascists are do nothing and are powerless while Steve Bannon is advising The President.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Cena, if the actions of fascists concern you, denounce it when your side does it.

If Trump goes full Hitler, he will be addressed, and not by fascists on the other side who are jealous of the power they think he has to be fascists. Trump will not be replaced with a fascist leftie, never. Not while voting exists and you assholes show everyone how awful you are.

simon666 - 2017-01-24
The state of things right now are still information based; and by that I mean at the level of propaganda and political maneuvering. When the brown shirts arrive, if they do, there will be plenty of time for a fighting. Right now, it seems to me anyway, is the time to consider the optics of one's actions (speech and physical actions) empower the message and plans of Bannon et al.

simon666 - 2017-01-24
*how* the optics of one's actions...

Spaceman Africa - 2017-01-24

15th - 2017-01-24
Memes with fascist undertones, the Left is catching up!
memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Soon they will unveil Lopez the Cat and insist he's totally not out to destroy free speech, and that he only represents trolling the media.

Spaceman Africa - 2017-01-24
"memes with fascist undertones" uhhh what

bawbag - 2017-01-24
Check out the other richard spencer thread spaceman africa. Witness the absolute stupidity of poetv, the false equivalence jamboree!

15th - 2017-01-24
The undertone being - assaulting a political unhuman for speaking is something to be celebrated. Shit's dank, he got rick rolled.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
If you disagree with bawbag, he wants your family targeted for extermination, BUT TOTALLY NO FASCO, just platonically.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
"he wants your family targeted for extermination"

Yeah, no.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24

Calling you a straight up liar on that one.

bawbag - 2017-01-24

Spaceman Africa - 2017-01-24
oh 15th is just dumb, got it

15th - 2017-01-24
That's the spirit.

TeenerTot - 2017-01-24
This site used to be fun.
15th - 2017-01-24

bawbag - 2017-01-24
It used to be, and still is on occasion, but let's not pretend there haven't always been shitty people here and massive blowout slapfights, shit a lot of them have been this bad since before POE.

It's gotten further right over the years because all the old crusty incels are turning into everything they claimed they hated during the bush years.

Scrimmjob - 2017-01-24
I have a plan to make poetv great again. Basically the plan is to take a more active roll in finding weird, interesting and funny videos to post here that first and foremost, have nothing to do with politics, and secondly aren't videos that show up in every user here's youtube feed.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
I'd like that too scrimmjob but honestly, the reason I stopped lurking and started hammering this place was because it became just a drag of constant far-right and/or edgelord 4chan 'LOLSJWS AMIRITE' stuff and people who should have been fucking chased off years ago.

That has continued largely unabated except for one brief time when orcs was finally getting on everyone's tits and we all came together to clean house.

I recognise that I'm part of the incessant drama and I genuinely will gladly fade into the background here if we ever get to a point where it's not just constantly grown-ass men crying about SJWs/reverse racism/BLM IS THA BLACK KKK!11 and straight up scattergun submitting every turd some Milo/Blaire/stormfront/4chan/MDE etc pinch out.

I don't foresee it happening though so long as we continue upvoting the latest edgelord mediocrities so the edgy crybabies can have their 2 minutes (totes ironic!) hate on easy targets like first year sociology students or whoever.

Make POEtv weird again, I am so fucking down but it will take an agreement on a readjustment of what deserves upvoting/downvoting here and there's no way in hell I can see the folk who'll turn this reply into 'but who decides that??? fucking censor lefty SJW trans hitler!' voluntarily dropping their only sources of attention.

Bort - 2017-01-24
bawbag - your tactics aren't making things better in the short term, they're unlikely to make them better in the long term, and I kind of think you're approaching the "he who fights monsters" stage. Just my opinion.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Bort, I disagree, bawbag and his Social Jihad Waffen are driving you to the moderate middle. The founders knew open speech was an inoculation against fascism.

Kiss me, you fool!

bawbag - 2017-01-24
I don't agree Bort. We got rid of orcs and there was a large gap between the shittiness here and the next wave of it.

Then months afterwards when EH took his break suddenly there's way more comments/submissions (not all of them from/at me) from more than the usual 2-3 people.

Note: I'd actually like him to come back at some point, hopefully as himself this time but look around, the comment sections are bumping because we're not having constant devil's advocacy-bot stuff.

Is it annoying? Yup, granted. I'll cop to my schtick having pissed off a sizeable minority here. Some very deliberately so but I never came here for the purpose of having pseudonymous internet people befriend me, I'm here since day 1 for the weird-ass vids.

Ultimately I want what I think most of us do, for this place to return to being fun or at least change from the current r/altrightedgycringe channel that it has been creeping towards.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Moderates are not a minority, the reg-left is.

There are only four or five people here who spout this fascist shit. The moment you successfully doxx someone and get permabanned, it will calm down. Until then, the reg-left shit gets challenged.

This is not a Kristallnacht circle jerk safe space.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
meme word salad is the least delicious food to trolls.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Have you exhausted your hate rhetoric yet? You down to insults?


We all know where you stand, Two-Bitler.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
2/10 would not read again.

Oscar Wildcat - 2017-01-24
Talk to the severed pig's head on the pike swarming with flies. He is their Lord and savior, and he has a message for you Bawbag.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
lmao a fucking Golding reference, wew careful on that edge there.

I wouldn't want you to have to bust out the rest of the large-print penguin classics for teens.

kingarthur - 2017-01-24
Five for punching Nazis. There's nothing wrong with that and anyone saying there is should be looked at sideways until they reconsider their shitty life.
Bobonne - 2017-01-24
Yeah, pretty much.

Shame about all the nazi-sympathizers around here.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Shame about all the assholes who use Nazis as an excuse to literally piss on the foundations of our society so you can justify being Nazis too.

You don't want equality, you want your turn at totalitarianism.

You're jealous of the actions that Nazis took and mad people have a problem with you acting like them.

Bort - 2017-01-24
"literally piss on the foundations of our society"


memedumpster - 2017-01-24
Bort also thinks speech should be silenced with violence.

It's a fascist thang.

That's why his party is being drummed out of politics. 2019 is going to be amazing. By then, there will be death squads organized online (hopefully not from here) targeting anyone right of Mussolini and no Democrats in Congress.

God help the Europeans.

bawbag - 2017-01-24

Have you ever even been to Europe meme? I'm starting to doubt it.

Bort - 2017-01-24
"Bort also thinks speech should be silenced with violence."

You misused "literally". Surely that warrants SOME kind of response.

memedumpster - 2017-01-24
You missed denying it, that certainly warrants a hug of gratitude. *hug of gratitude*

We can all at least appreciate an honest fascist.

Just don't assault people for speaking, they have a right to defend themselves if you do and it might not be pretty.

You know, when the SJW's REEEEEEEEEE about everyone having to tell their male friends not to rape, I thought it was nonsense, but here I am, having to remind people not to be fascists.

What a world.

Bort - 2017-01-24
Holy dogballs meme, I called you a fucking monster for misusing the word "literally". Not only is that completely NOT a call to violence, there's some small chance I was trying to bring a little merriment and sweet amusement to this dreary place.

bawbag - 2017-01-24
This new schtick of meme's sucks. Come back EH, all is forgiven.

Bort - 2017-01-24
I don't think he's schticking. This whole thing remains a matter of discussion not just here but across the Internet because people are caught between two impulses: you shouldn't punch people but Jesus take a look at who we're talking about. What happens when an irresistible face meets an immoral objecter?

If only everyone would agree with my position, the objectively right one: we still shouldn't punch Nazis as a matter of principle that might be worth taking pride in, but that doesn't mean we're obligated to feel sorry for Richard Spencer.

Bobonne - 2017-01-24
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/early-warnings -how-american-journalists-reported-the-rise-of-hitler/254146/

Bobonne - 2017-01-24

15th - 2017-01-24
Although Bort and I seem to enjoy antagonizing eachother, he has taken the nonviolent position on this consistently - I think. This isn't about Spencer, schadenfreud is distasteful, but advocacy is immoral.

simon666 - 2017-01-24
kingarthur, is there a difference in your mind between the WWII Nazis, who militarily invade neighbors, ship people in cattle cars etc., and people of today that express ideological equivalent (roughly) ideas?

I understand that we are inclined to use violence to prevent the ideology from motivating action (if it can do that), but on some level violence is just being used against people with whom one disagrees, i.e., against those whose ideas we have deemed wrong. How do you navigate that tension?

BHWW - 2017-01-25
CAPTAIN AMERICA PUNCHED NAZIS LOL BRING ME LE 500 NAZI SCALPS XD - people for whom Harry Potter and "EVERYBODY I OPPOSE IS LIKE, UH, VOLDEMORT" comparisons are too intellectual.

SolRo - 2017-01-24
it will never get old
Bobonne - 2017-01-24
Honestly, one would think that Russia would be more wary of celebrating the rise to power of a man backed by the honest to god wannabe 4th Reich.

If there was one thing that ever truly united the Grand and Proud Russian peoples (this is not sarcasm, I really have a fair bit of affection for the Russians as a people) and the assorted peoples of the West, it was fighting Nazis.

Ah, well. Maybe, one day, we'll both shake off our authoritarian populist leaders and team up to clean house again.

SolRo - 2017-01-24
it's hard to look at trump from that distance and through the lens of the then-fawning media and see what an unstable shit he really is and which people he beds with.

I guess they went with the unknown risk vs the known enemy.

Bobonne - 2017-01-24
That, plus one was more of a "Useful Idiot" than the other.

I can't really blame them, acting in their own self-interest, really, in virtually every way other than "who is more likely to demand the nuclear football for an imagined slight".

M-DEEM - 2017-01-24
Eye of The Tiger by legendary rock combo Survivor was the obvious, superior choice for this
Bort - 2017-01-25

Happy now?

M-DEEM - 2017-01-25
I am!

Bort - 2017-01-25
On Facebook, a dude was saying "there's nothing more patriotic than punching Nazis" and I responded with, "well, except maybe for punching flag-burners". If you want to start a shit-show, I recommend going there.

(Bort's objectively unimpeachable principles still hold: flag burners should be allowed to burn flags without getting punched, but if there's a video of a flag-burner getting punched, you are not obligated to feel sorry for him.)
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