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Desc:The two weakest links in the cast share a moment and shill Folgers.
Category:Classic Movies
Tags:product placement, manhunter, michael mann, nothing happens, grocery week
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simon666 - 2018-01-21
We might need a Nothing Happens in the Grocery Week, which I think is an equally ripe trope in cinema.
Binro the Heretic - 2018-01-21
It had it's faults, but I prefer this version to the remake. I also prefer it to all the movies with Hopkins as Lecter.

Hopkins is a good actor, but his Hannibal is too silly to really scare me. The understated normality of the guy playing Lecter in this movie made the character all the more creepy.

Plus, it's just hard to top that climax.
Old_Zircon - 2018-01-21
I agree.

Noonan is fantastic in it.

It actually tries to show some of the human tragedy of the murderer himself (like the book does), which is more than can be said for any of the other Lecter related movies or 99.99% of movies about mental illness in general.

Plus the entire soundtrack is as good as Goodbye Horses.

Old_Zircon - 2018-01-21
Really my only major complaint is that I don't think William Petersen can quite carry the lead. Especially his voiceover. It's not that he's exactly bad in it, just not good enough to do justice to the rest of the production. If he wasn't doing voiceover I think it would work better, the voiceover is on par with the stuff in the theatrical version of Blade Runner in terms of dragging the production down. Not bad but not good enough.

somedongus - 2018-01-21
Eh, Peterson is a decent enough actor. He was good in To Live and Die in LA and The Contender and lets not forget OG CSI. I would really enjoy seeing an extended cut of this movie, it especially could use some more Brian Cox and Dennis Farina in it.

Old_Zircon - 2018-01-21
Yeah, he's fine he's just the weakest major performance in the movie and also happens to be the lead. It's still a really good movie (my second favorite thing Mann did after Thief, and honestly more easily rewatchable than Thief) I just wish Peterson's performance was as good as Noonan's.

And again, most of it is the voiceover/internal monologue stuff. When he's speaking on camera I don't really have any issues but the VO work is soap opera caliber. Voiceover has its own unique skill set and being a decent actor doesn't mean you'll be a decent voiceover artist (again, back to Harrison Ford's voiceover work in Blade Runner as a good example of both a perfectly good onscreen performance and hammy voiceover from the same actor in the same film).

I should probably say VOICEOVER again to make sure I hit my quota.

somedongus - 2018-01-21
Whats this about a... voiceover?

Thief is also my favorite of Mann's, but, then I have never seen a restored directors cut of The Keep. I would really, really love for that to someday exist.

Old_Zircon - 2018-01-21
The internal monologue stuff, there' not actually a whole lot of it.

Dumb Lamer - 2018-01-21
Everyone is comparing this to the remake, but nobody is discussing the coffee. Is that an entire aisle of instant coffee? So many people think the 80's were so great, but the US didn't have good coffee for another decade! Why am I mentioning this? The next time, some goober at work spouts the greatness of the 80's, you can remind them that, yeah, the 80's had synthesizers and good Spielberg movies, but they had to drink bad coffee.
somedongus - 2018-01-21
Bad Coffee has been an American thing for nearly 80 years, and for the vast majority of this country(and Canada!) it still is.

simon666 - 2018-01-21
There is a nirvana that exists when starts appreciating all coffees from diner to airport, Peet's to Starbucks, and that six dollar barely roasted stuff made a cup at a time.

somedongus - 2018-01-21
Barely roasted indeed. It's like, hey, we got these exclusive shade grown, organic, direct trade, womxn owned, sustainably harvested, dry processed beans, roasted almost to the point where they develop character! We know its good because the millennial who roasts it says so! Sure, he has no palate for anything other than mac & cheese, chicken fingers and American Spirits but trust us, this guy know what coffee is supposed to taste like! That'll be $32/pound please!

StanleyPain - 2018-01-21
Manhunter is a great Michael Mann film. As an adaptation of Red Dragon, it's so-so. I think that's the distinction. Silence of the Lambs, as an adaptation of Thomas Harris' Lector "universe", so-to-speak, was a great film made in a way that embraced the literature aspect in a classy way.
Manhunter was really more about style over substance, which Mann is often better at.
Old_Zircon - 2018-01-21
Style always

Robin Kestrel - 2018-01-22
I ate one of those Blake paintings, too.

They're okay, I guess.
Old_Zircon - 2018-01-22
I'm a Rousseau man, myself.

StanleyPain - 2018-01-22
Dunno much about art, but I know what i like.


betamaxed - 2018-01-23
OZ, I guess I'm weird because I thought peterson did just fine here, even good. Certainly better than what norton did with the character in Red Dragon which was so phoned in they could have just shown text messages from the actor held up to the camera in place of spoken dialog.
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