cognitivedissonance - 2023-03-21
There’s no point in defining a shibboleth if everybody knows what is meant when one uses it.
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Maggot Brain  - 2023-03-21
Geez, this woman hates children. Would hate to be one of her kids.
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Maggot Brain - 2023-03-21 Also amazingly softball interview.
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casualcollapse - 2023-03-21
“Both sides are bad” is absolutely a shit take when it’s used to establish a false equivalency, which it almost always is.
Let’s look at this from a US perspective:
Are Republicans pro-corporate, anti-worker? Yes.
Are Democrats pro-corporate, anti-worker? Yes.
Are they pro-corporate and anti-worker to the same extent? FUCKING NOOOOO.
If I go further to the right than Republicans, do I get less pro-corporate and less anti-worker? No.
If I go further to the left than Democrats, do I get less pro-corporate and less anti-worker? Oh, hell yes.
“Both sides are the same” is the type of shit I’d push if I were A) a Republican who wants to get bashed on less and/or B) a corporatist who doesn’t want to risk any legislation that’d be bad for me. Because as much as we might think a sentiment like “man they’re out here cheating us both” would lead to everyone joining hands and sticking it to the man, in practice it just covers up the misdeeds of whatever team is being worse about something.
You can, occasionally, get pro-worker moves out of Democrats. They want to regulate business a little bit. They could certainly do it more, and they just might if we voted more actual lefties into the party, but that shit doesn’t happen when we’re all running around going “wah this isn’t about politics, it’s just a class struggle”. Motherfuckers, the class struggle is politics. Politics isn’t just voting every four years. It’s you voting in every fucking election, it’s you educating yourself about the issues, it’s you pushing that information to your disconnected fellows and expanding awareness, and it’s even doing shit like union organizing or striking.
All the shit that actually gets things done is politics, and we can’t disengage from it because it makes us feel smug for nOt PiCkInG a SiDe BeTwEeN tWo EviLs. We can not like the two-party system we have–I sure as shit don’t–but we’ve fucking got it, and the fastest, easiest, and surest way to actually reform it isn’t helping Republicans in any way or bouncing off the concept entirely. I can get Ranked Choice Voting from Democrats if I push hard enough, and from there we’re on the way to something better, especially once I start stacking them with people who are marginally left instead of more fucking centrist liberals.
Motherfuckers are really going to act like they’ve broken out of the Matrix and can “see the problem with both sides”, then go to fucking sleep like both of them (including the worst) want. Absolute tools.
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Crackersmack - 2023-03-22 "You can, occasionally, get pro-worker moves out of Democrats."
citation needed
both sides are the same
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Quad9Damage - 2023-03-22 Do Republicans advocate for pulling books out of school libraries Yes.
Do Democrats advocate for hiring "sensitivity readers" to permanently alter old books? Yes.
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Crab Mentality - 2023-03-22 Hey look, Crackersmack slunk back after a week, pretending we didn't just all insult him directly to his face!
Lets talk woke politics! Does anyone have a "con" argument if Crackersmack's mother were to abort him right now with a cinder block to the back of the head?
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ashtar. - 2023-03-22 I've used this metaphor before, but driving towards a wall at 55 mph is better than driving towards it at 80. But, it's still suicidal. And, further torturing the metaphor, both the two options for speeds have been getting faster and faster for the last 40 years. (The US Gini us up 20% since 1980. Again, +20%. I won't bother to quote atmospheric ppm co2.)
There are objective realities that tend to get ignored in American politics because it is seen as such a zero sum game. It does not matter which team wins. It matters if we mitigate the worst effects of climate change as soon as possible and reduce the economic inequality that will collapse society.
I agree that, short of a worker revolution that doesn't seem to be in the offing, moving the democratic party left is the best best. But to have a chance of doing so, you have to have a realistic understanding of what needs to be done, and how much of the party personnel and infrastructure (but not the base!) is opposed to achieving those objectively necessary goals.
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Crackersmack - 2023-03-23 holding the belief that it is possible to move the Democratic Party left shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the Democratic Party in American politics
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cognitivedissonance - 2023-03-23 Why would Democrats want to dismantle the Republicans? If every election is potentially the last election, those hausfraus and lesbians will line up for uterus insurance however they are told.
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Crab Mentality - 2023-03-23 Cracker talking about belief is rich! Fucker doesn't have any.
In case anyone here still hasn't noticed, he doesn't believe in shit; he's just saying whatever he can to prod people because he's unhappy with the state of the world and has no ideas whatsoever because he's a fuckin' idiot.
He's only here because we entertain his South Park style "both sides are always wrong and I'm a genius because I said it" demi centrist defeatism.
Cracker, your role in here is to make us all happy by posting a long confusing rant and then leaving forever.
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ashtar. - 2023-03-23 I mean, yeah. It's a way for capital to channel populist sentiment into things that ultimately enrich capital. If you look at the earlier referenced Gini graph since 1980, there's no little dips where it went down (or even up less steeply) while Democrats were in power.
I don't know what to do. The working class is divided, misinformed, and reliant on the labor of even more immiserated people in the developing world. I don't think suborning the Democratic Party to the worker's movement (and it would have to happen as an outgrowth of the rising power and organizations like unions outside of the party) is likely, but it's not less possible than a worker's revolution. I think either is more likely than a third party becoming the vehicle for the interests of the working class.
I am pessimistic about the chances of things getting better in this country. I just hope China can contain the damage we do to the rest of the world when we implode.
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teethsalad - 2023-03-24 " I just hope China can contain the damage we do to the rest of the world when we implode"
if this isn't one of the dumbest goddamn takes i've ever read i don't know what is
between domestic discontent & economic slowdown, demographic collapse, swine flu, reliance on food imports and the cult of xi jinping being in full swing china's not in the greatest position anywhere but the minds of dipshit tankies and raving ideologues
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Crackersmack - 2023-03-24 "US corporate media has informed me that actually China is hellish" meanwhile Chinese people have a right to housing, healthcare, and higher education free of debt. China has built thousands of miles of high speed rail in the last decade and is now rapidly working to replace the dollar with the yuan as the currency that the world uses by building infrastructure and relationships with our former victims. The world will be a significantly safer and more humane place when Chine overtakes America,
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ashtar. - 2023-03-24 China is not perfect. But they are a rational actor. The US is not; we're unable to deal even with basic existential problems for which the solution is obvious if this would inconvenience our oligarchs. We're also incredibly heavily armed and have been fighting wars of invasion non-stop for 20 years.
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Crackersmack - 2023-03-24 China addresses homelessness with massive public housing projects. America addresses it with massive police budgets.
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Quad9Damage - 2023-03-24 I cannot tell who is on whose side anymore in this.
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Adham Nu'man - 2023-03-22
"Short form of 'awake', or 'woken', the term became popular among the black community to refer to individuals who are aware of or savvy to the systemic racism and oppression ingrained in our society. More recently, the term was then coopted by whites to cry and scream 'oppression' and 'discrimination' at the slightest perceived injustice (that often does not even affect them). The term was then in turn coopted by the right and then by the general population to mock said priviledged whites that constantly bitch about oppression"
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SolRo - 2023-03-22 Started out good but halfway through you jumped into a barrel of dogshit
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Crackersmack - 2023-03-22
It's hard to describe what 'woke' means without it sounding exactly like a definition of regular old boring neoliberalism.
I'd put it like "a political philosophy that focuses on racial, gender, and sexual orientation discrimination as the primary causes of inequality, and that deemphasizes or outright rejects class analysis"
but of course that is just describing most elected Democrats for the past 30-40 years.
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Binro the Heretic - 2023-03-22
Back in the 1990s, the right invented the term "politically correct" to describe treating everyone with respect and courtesy regardless of ethnicity, religion, socioeconomic status, gender or sexual orientation.
That's the sort of thing cis het Christian White men who benefit from a society that elevates cis het Christian White men above all other groups can't stand, so they tried to make it sound like a bad thing. They called it "politically correct" and associated the term with snotty obnoxious people who just wanted to ruin your fun.
Twenty years later, Black people coined the term "woke" to describe coming to the realization that the system is rife with racism that affects every Black person and any progress you personally enjoy is illusory and/or can be snatched away from you on a whim by one White asshole.
And cis het Christian White men, while they enjoy the systemic racism that benefits them, don't like it when the systemic racism that benefits them is called out because that might lead to lots of people, including other cis het Christian White men with a sense of justice and human decency, might band together and do away with the systemic racism that benefits cis het Christian White men.
So they've stolen the term "woke" from Black people and are trying to make it a synonym for "politically correct."
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SolRo - 2023-03-22 Mostly right but the term woke in its correct usage dates back to the 1930s
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