|Riskbreaker - 2012-08-09 |
*lab bottle with skull on it
|Ursa_minor - 2012-08-09 |
Was there actually a *zing* sound when Bane flung those dudes? I've never seen this movie.
|TheOtherCapnS - 2012-08-09 |
Joel Schumacher is so bad.
|Hooker - 2012-08-09 |
So, I've never been a fan of comic books. I didn't read them as a kid, and during college I tried to read them but it didn't take.
Bane seems like a really generic response to the Liefeld-era of putting muscles on top of muscles, right? Maybe the whole Knight Fall thing is written brilliantly, but I haven't read it, and to me the idea of making a villain great at everything misses the whole point. If Joker or Lex Luthor were super strong, or if Hulk was super smart (ignoring for the moment that they wound up doing that to him), it would miss the entire fucking point.
Why do people always take exception with the idea that they "fucked up" Bane here? They fucked up the whole movie equally, but Bane sucks anyway.
In the comics Bane was plainly a way of putting an actual physical threat to confront Batman. Most of the pantheon of Batman villains were either criminal masterminds who wouldn't last 10 seconds in a real fight, or villains who used tons of technology to face Batman. Bane was the first major villain who was a combination of being super-intelligent but also a real physical threat to Batman, a situation he had never faced. The whole idea of the Knightfall story was just to play with the idea of "what if Batman actually lost to a villain for once and the consequence was Gotham gets fucked over massively?"
I actually don't hate the Schumacher Batman films....I look at them as silly, pulp entertainment clearly trying to ape the TV show rather than the graphic novels, but they really did fuck up Bane by reducing him to a silly retard who just follows orders and is generally comic relief.
The Great Hippo
Yeah, Bane /can/ be a pretty awesome character. I mean Batman's all about the villains, and Bane's a fantastic setup: Here's a guy with none of Bruce Wayne's billions, none of his education--a guy who had every single possible disadvantage in the world thrown at him--and the result is someone who is (ideally) both a physical and intellectual match for Batman.
I wouldn't say he was the first to be both smart and physically powerful, Ra's Al Ghul did both quite well. Where Ra's Al Ghul falls apart, however, is that he has things actually invested in his position and Batman can actually take those things away. Bane doesn't have anything to lose.
That said, having a character whose sole reason to commit crime is to defeat Batman might be where the character falls apart. Joker has the whole homoerotic element to him, and the Riddler conflates Batman with his own abusive father, but Bane just wants to defeat Batman so he can be the guy who defeated Batman. I personally find it to be a weak motivation.
The only villain in the Rogue's Gallery who actually *deserves* to be victorious is the Penguin, and largely because he's a genuine criminal who is in the game entirely to enrich himself, is not insane, knows the risks of being a criminal, is usually played (nowadays) as a cripple/social outcast, is, admittedly, very smart and really just has a dedication to being alive AS a criminal. I wish somebody would just write the character for what he is and make that enough. Yeah, he's a fat guy who wears a top hat and commits crimes, but there's a sort of sincerity to him that most of the other villains just don't have. That sincerity could go a long way in the hands of a competent writer.
Right. Again, maybe it's brilliantly written, but when I hear, "he's super strong but also really smart and he grew up in a prison and he's angry and he had nothing given to him," I hear a fanfiction character. In the broad strokes, Bane is not terribly interesting.
I'm just going to defend the Penguin in pretty much any given context.
Bane's motivation is not JUST beating Batman; he also thinks that Bruce Wayne is his half-brother and that Wayne's father abandoned Bane and thus the Wayne family should be punished, or something like that. Regardless, I'm glad that DKR has made Bane into a memorable, interesting film villain that rises above his continuously dumb portrayal in most Batman media. He came off fairly unscathed in the original cartoon, but pretty much everywhere else he's a dumb animal.
|John Holmes Motherfucker - 2012-08-09 |
So bad, I saw it twice.
|dead_cat - 2012-08-10 |
I have to say, Paul Dini doesn't look at all like I never realized I expected him to.
|dead_cat - 2012-08-10 |
Also, thank you, internet, for all the "highlight" clips of Batman and Robin. I never saw this thing, and I never plan to unless there's going to be cash involved.
|Riskbreaker - 2012-08-10 |
Must resist....using.....Dark Knight Rises quote.......
|Siebenstein - 2012-08-10 |
What I'm afraid of is that if I go back and watch this turd again, I might find it more entertaining than I did the Dark Knight Rises.
This looks like the only entertaining post-Adam West batman movie to me.
|dairyqueenlatifah - 2012-08-11 |
Oh God, this was the movie with the ice skating combat scene wasn't it?
I thought I had never seen the movie but now all the terrible memories are coming back thanks to this video.
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