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Desc:The news crew seems to be oblivious to this.
Category:News & Politics, Horror
Tags:fascism, teenager, totalitarianism, first amendment, innocent
Submitted:Rodents of Unusual Size
Date:07/04/13
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Comment count is 42
Old_Zircon
"JK for 'joking'"
SolRo
League of Legends Player

"the kind of kid that didn't read the newspaper, doesn't watch television, he wasn't aware of current events"


No big loss. And I don't care at all about protecting peoples 'right' to make threats.
Aelric
First they came fore the League of Legends players, and I said nothing, for I am not a league of legends player...

Then they came for the DOTA players and again I said nothing...

Bort
Can't tell if you're trolling, but if you are, you got me.

It's not a matter of whether this kid was too much of an idiot to care about, it's a matter of exactly how prosecution-happy parts of the US are. It's one thing for a dumbass to say dumbass things online, it's another for dumbasses to be running the courts so that you can make a clear and present danger out of anything.

Suppose the kid were black, how would you be interpreting the case? Suppose he were a Muslim?

SolRo
same exact way.

Cena_mark
CCA may have some empty bunks somewhere. Texas has to fill them all.

Blue
But he didn't actually make a threat. It's pretty clear that the charges were bullshit to begin with. Also, he's facing 8 times the amount of time in prison that rapists typically get.

SolRo
calling this a threat to the first amendment is about on par in crazy over-reaction as the sentence itself.

TheOtherCapnS
I get that you're expressing disdain for this guy and his ilk, but your position is absolutely indefensible.

He hasn't even been to trial yet. They set his bail at 0,000. This is an old video and more recent reports are saying he's been moved for his own protection multiple times and has gotten the shit kicked out of him.

Even if you still wanna turn a blind eye to this kid's suffering because you don't think you would like him, his trial's costing the state money, his incarceration is costing money, and hopefully when he gets out his lawsuit will cost the state money.

SolRo
Well then you should submit the video that explains all that, because fuck-all if you expect me or anyone else to research the backstory of every idiot featured in a video on the internet.

All I see is internet jackass gets made an example of by a stupid judge/prosecutor. there are much, much worse miscarages of justice out there.


Or is this clusterfuck some kind of internet jackass solidarity?

Blue
This kid is facing 8 years in prison for being insensitive. He's hardly a jackass, after all you are, in this very thread, much worse. He was talking about an imaginary school with imaginary children. You're talking about putting an innocent person through serious prison time. Depending on the prison, that may involve sexual assault. Your comments are far more offensive than his.

I don't hope you go to fucking prison, but I do hope you pinch your dick with your zipper when you're zipping up your fly.

giygusattack
Does he have to go directly to prison? Does he really have to be eligible for 8 years in prison? He TYPED something!

Whether you're a dismissive, lazy asshole like SolRo or not, you have to admit the consequences are way too extreme.

Sudan no1
Oh SolRo, for every decent post you make there are 11 like... this.

Hooker
...then they came for the shitty anime nerds, and there was nobody to speak up for SolRo.

oddeye
He totally deserved to be beaten and raped in jail for something he hasn't even been proven guilty of.

The Mothership
A woman in Canada?
THA SUGAH RAIN
Who then looked up the guy, discovered his identity, looked up his address, searched for the nearest elementary school to his address, then looked up his local police number, called the police, and informed the police of the findings of her investigation.

SolRo
"on facebook"

so that detective work was looking at his name and seeing the town his profile said he lives in.

memedumpster
I guess since America is gearing up to stop incarcerating stoners in the next ten years, it's going to need a new uncared about targeted group to bilk for prison cash. It's going to take a hundred years for anyone to fight back against the War on Gamers.
simon666
I challenge everyone on this thread to make a similar comment as this kid did on their facebook, writing "lol" and "j/k."

RocketBlender
Fuck no, I live in Texas!

duck&cover
I hate this kind of hysterical bullshit. The man made a stupid joke in bad taste, that's all he did.
TheOtherCapnS
I guess when you think about it, this is pretty much perfectly in step with the rest of our War on Terror, at home and abroad.

We drone strike the shit out of brown people, creating the next generation of America-hating terrorists.

We're throwing some innocent kid in jail to get beaten and possibly raped, he will probably get out and actually go on a shooting spree.
RocketBlender
The League of Legends community is exactly the kind of group I'd expect this kind of shit from. I don't think there's anything on the internet that foul-mouthed clusterfuck doesn't take seriously.

One of those games I could have enjoyed, if not for the other players.

Bonus points for somehow not managing to know a thing about what's happening in the real world.
Scrimmjob
Yeah, Dota2 is not that bad yet, but it also has limited access. Once the floodgates open i fully expect to be called a faggot all day by twelve year olds. Speaking of which i have about 15 dota2 keys stacked up if anyone is interested?

Gmork
DOTA is the poor man's mazzarin's demise

FABIO
The weird part is it used to be the other way around. DotA 2 and HoN were home to the old diehard DotA players who were the typical massive assholes you'd expect from the kind of people still giving a shit about a 7+ year old video game (think Counter Strike players). LoL was the game where all the casual players went. Sure it was still toxic, but it was a grand canyon difference between the two. HoN/DotA 2 would start screeching at you right at character selection while LoL players would at least wait for the game to start before you were a faggot.

Then something weird happened. For some reason it completely swapped. LoL is now screecher territory while DotA 2 is pretty chill.

I think it happened around the time the makers really started pushing LoL as an "e-sport". Everyone started watching tournament streams and suddenly everyone was an expert who screeched if you didn't follow the "current meta". In an unranked game at the bottom 10% of players? Doesn't matter, the screechers will still be on you.

It's like going to a local pickup basketball game where everyone is "that guy" who rags on anyone not wearing 0 Air Jordans.

Herr Matthias
Having played a fair amount of LoL, I think the "worst pickup basketball game ever" analogy is pretty appropriate. If every game, there was one guy who considered himself the next LeBron James even though he can't make the junior varsity squad, who rages at his teammates every time they do anything other than throw him the ball, and who eventually gets to the point where he starts shooting the ball in the other basket and blocking his own players' shots out of spite.

And, for some reason, this guy is never on the OTHER team.

Herr Matthias
Oh! And the ridiculous adherence to "The Meta" is kind of like going to a playground court and calling everyone a faggot because they're not playing a Phil Jackson-esque triangle offense. Have I tortured this metaphor enough?

TeenerTot
I'm gonna suffocate someone with feces, to see if the phrase "eat shit and die" becomes a credible threat.
Jet Bin Fever
Absolutely awful. It was in realllllllllllllly poor taste, but jeez. Its true that LoL has one of the worst gaming communities of all time though, so I bet that there are felonies flying constantly in some form or another in the chat after games.
LetsFistAgain
Kid should have told some rape jokes at a stand up club instead. Then we could have just extrajudicially shot his ass.
sosage
Evil

Nothing like a video about ruining a kid's life and ignoring the first amendment to make the 4th of July feel special.
Bort
Responding to a threat of violence is not a violation of the First Amendment. Blowing this incident so completely out of proportion is an injustice, yes, but the First Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to threaten grave bodily harm to others without consequences.

sosage
He would have to specifically threaten someone, within the context of being a threat and not a sarcastic remark, for me to even come close to your line of thinking.

Bort
Like I say, they blew this incident completely out of proportion.

Here's the deal: the First Amendment is between you and the government. The government can't censor you just because the government doesn't like what you're saying; that's the First Amendment. But when it comes to citizen vs. citizen, that is another matter altogether, and the First Amendment doesn't protect every single thing you do. So if you have expressed a threat to other people, and it's a credible threat, expect consequences.

In this case, the only issue is how far from credible the threat is. If he were deadly serious and the cops actually saved lives, you wouldn't be First Amendmenting, you'd call it good police work.

sosage
We're obviously just going to ping pong off of each other on this, in classic Internet limp-wristed hissy fit slappery style until POETV finally closes down. Context is king here and your scenario calls for a lot of alterations to that context. At least now he is a genuine threat to society, what with breaking him in a socially acceptable way (leave him to be preyed on by inmates, toss him in solitary confinement, etc.).

Bort
Context isn't the issue. Threatening others with bodily harm is not protected under the First Amendment, and the only question here is whether the threat is at all credible (we agree that it is not).

oddeye
He deserves AT MOST a stern talking to, not the possibility of 10 years in jail being beaten and raped like he HAS ALREADY BEEN without being proven guilty of any crime.

candyheadrobot
Not that I think it's cool to be a jackass on the interwebs, but for fucks sake, this kid is guilty of not being clever enough to tell a joke, not legitimately threatening people's lives. In a random debate, I was once asked if there should be legal ramifications if people made racial remarks, or published hate speech, and at the time I said that there should be, in order to teach people that it's not okay. Even though this is a stretch from that, I can see the point in the other side of the argument now; if we want to stop bullying or threatening, what happened with Paula Deen needs to repeat itself. Something like this is just uncalled for.
John Holmes Motherfucker
It's not a threat if you type JK after it, it's just a really really bad joke. Theres no intent to threaten. Oh Texas, how you suck.

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