oh god. this is way too perfect.
I would've missed that hint during the opening credits if he hadn't pointed it out.
|Sexy Duck Cop |
Sexy Duck Cop
no wait I meant to do that thing where I pop in and give one star to a show I've never watched without giving a reason why beyond restating the show's name
like the fonz
Seems like a pretty Carcosa thing to do.
(I have no idea what that means; I usually fall asleep while my buddies are watching this show. They say it's cool tho.)
|infinite zest |
"Hasn't seen more than 2 episodes of Breaking Bad" that is.. I hate typing these things on my iPhone
Sexy Duck Cop
Talking to someone who's only seen two episodes of Breaking Bad is like finding a ghost in search of a skeleton. I don't know what that means, but BB is so good God commit suicide.
I know. It's a show I really want to watch, from the beginning.. I'm actually wishing I would get sick so I'd just have an excuse. I loved the x-files (duh) and I love the cast, the premise, everything. Through clips and everyone talking about it though, it was kind of like "oh well.. Missed out on that one.."
Watching 5 seasons of a show where you know the ending is like if Sixth Sense's trailer said "Bruce Willis plays a dead detective that only one bot can see..."
Ps "ghost in search of a skeleton." Poetic, mr duck policeman what's purdy
Yeah.. I really have to give it a shot. The house TV is, ironically, clogged up with the X Files, and I'll be working on the computer and watch parts of it and think "man, I loved this show when I was a kid.. if it wasn't for X Files there probably wouldn't be programming like Breaking Bad" but then I'm also like "man Breaking Bad is over, so I'd just be catching up with what everyone else knows."
But an excuse like that is like not watching Star Wars 4-6 if you already knew that Vader's Luke's father and Leia's his sister (which I did know, thanks to my brothers' jerk friends) but I was too young to care. I'll take everyone's advice and watch it.. I also don't really understand, besides the sheer amount of power White attained, what drove him to become so evil.
Sexy Duck Cop
"I also don't really understand, besides the sheer amount of power White attained, what drove him to become so evil."
Without giving anything away, part of what makes Walter White's fall from grace so mesmerizing is watching all the tiny lies and rationalizations he makes cumulatively gnaw at his soul, gradually inching him closer and closer to the point of no return. There's a powerful scene toward the end (NOT REALLY A SPOILER) where we flash back to a little white lie Walt told near the beginning of the show, then flash forward to the unbelievable clusterfuck his life's turned into.
On some level, I see "Breaking Bad" as a flipped mirror image of society, specifically its rules that we agree to live by so that we don't have to solve things with guns or knives or bombs. The drug trade doesn't offer any of those sorts of rules, and as long as Walt remains in that world, he's going to do things just to get by that you and I would never need to do (probably). And, in a lot of ways, Walt is the "least bad" he can be as he navigates the non-rules of non-society, so from that perspective he's still trying to be a decent man. But, he also doesn't walk away from it when he can, so we can't really excuse it as "an innocent man forced to do heinous things".
teal deer: watch the show, it won't be a waste of your time, and you can come to your own conclusions about Walt.
Ha, called it.
Huh, I wonder who they got to make that mask.
wait a minute
that's not a mask
THAT'S NOT A MASK
MIND = BLOWN!
|Sudan no1 |
Five stars for making fun of dorks who took this show too seriously. It's fun, has great actors, but it's actually dumb. It's a live action Rockstar game.
Still, I'm glad Infinite Zest won the pot.
If this show is dumb, please give me an example of an intelligent drama that isn't boring. I mean it- I'm always looking for Better Television, and so far True Detective is the best thing I've come across. If you ask me, True Detective strikes an incredible balance between intelligent, creative, and engaging.
The show's not dumb, but the ending made it clear that we, the audience, thought it was way smarter than it actually was. Hence why I say they pulled a Rust!
The writers sucked us in with their confidence and clever words, only to subvert everything by not subverting anything.
I'm not bitching, mind you. I'm glad we learned the killer was Marty's evil twin brother.
What sort of ending were you hoping for? To me, the ending was about two guys who had followed the case past the point where they could plan to return to "normal life", and yet were committed to seeing it to its end no matter what it cost them. I wasn't expecting a boss-grade final bad guy who could ensnare you with his spaghetti beard.
Well, I think most of us were expecting some kind of twist. Maybe not a Big Boss Spaghetti Monster (although that would have been badass), but a little headslapper, a little mindfuck. You saw all the theories and all the "evidence" people were examining over the past few weeks and months: turns out none of it was true. The most banal theory turned out to be correct, and the Big Reveal actually happened a week ago; there was nothing new to be discovered, no deeper secret to tie everything together.
Again, I'm not saying the show was bad. It was great. Carcosa was quite interesting, and while the last few scenes were kind of limp, it was touching to see Rust find God (or whatever). *In a sense*, it's dumbness was quite brilliant; bucking the convention of bucking conventions was the last thing people expected, at once obvious and non-obvious; all very meta, if you want to stretch things. I don't.
But really, regardless of the way they lumberjacked that final episode, it was a fun show, and THAT, I think, is what truly matters. It was a great way to pass the time until Vikings starts up again, and I'm definitely looking forward to Season 2!
I guess it comes down to expectations -- we've gotten accustomed to shows or movies that BLOW YOUR MIND with the final reveal, and each one needs to be bigger than anything you've seen before. Only, this show never pretended to be headed in that direction, and people just assumed that's where it was going.
What does the future hold for post-finale Rust?:
"TED Talks: A New Equation Behind Everything, Is Time Is A Flat Circle?" by Rustin Cohle
spoilers: The mundane finale was part of what was wrong, I know I felt cheated when it turned out Rust's mental illness was just used to make him an unreliable narrator and to get himself stabbed at the end. The first five episodes spend time making Rust suspicious and "ready to snap" but it turns out under his nihilism he was just a nice guy hurting from his dead daughter the entire time. And he has a really cliched 'crazy obsessed with a cold case' investigation room.
The black cops were depressingly clueless and added nothing to the finale.
Marty was a good foil to Rust, but a shitty person I had no sympathy for after he cheated on his wife beat up those kids in jail (to say nothing about the dumbass way he would kill suspects without interrogating them at all).
Marty's wife was a stock "angry housewife." His mistresses were stock "crazy bitches." The plot hints that his daughter was molested by Kidrape cult (which apparently molested or murdered half the kids in a tri-county area), but there is no resolution of this plot point because the story has no time for the Non-Marty-and-Rust characters.
The villian was a stock "inbred swampbilly" complete with a Hoarder's house and inbred sister-wife, who operated under the auspices of a stock corrupt rapist preacher. It was the disappointment-cherry on top the disappointment-sundae.
I know I said that it'd be stupid if the Yellow King or Carcosa was the Lawnmower man, but I had some catching up to do (I literally blew through episodes 1-5 three weeks ago, so I had heard a lot of theories, mine being that a big twist would reveal that Hart's daughter was part of the 5 Horsemen, what with her dolls and everything and getting involved in the "arts scene" in NOLA, much of which involves Voodoo, etc. and a certain amount of protection via her father as a detective.) As far as Hart's deceitfulness w/r/t where he was in his relationship, or Chole's deceit w/r/t his whereabouts, those are MacGuffins which are part of human nature.
I kind of came to my senses, and was like, any of these "twist endings" would leave a bad taste in my mouth, especially after the reveal at the end of episode 7. I think that the finale's climax, as Silence of the Lambs-ey and predictable as it was, did a good job of making one part of a bigger puzzle succinctly wrapped up. And a lot is left unanswered, and that's life. Let's say there was an alternate ending where Rust is stabbed and the reveal is Hart walking in like "haha you fell into my trap! I am the Yellow King!!" How dumb would that be?
Killer Marty never made any sense, because Marty had PLENTY of opportunities to kill Rust, both before and after he discovered Rust had figured everything out. Killer Rust would have worked better, and I would have loved to see Daughter Victim, but alas twas not to be.
I liked the Cajun swamp hoarder compound, but that may have just been on account of the My Little Pony episode that had aired the previous day, in which Applejack and Big Mac delivered pies to some Cajun swamp hoarders. COINCIDENCE?!?!?!
THE YELLOW KING WAS NOT A KING AT ALL. SHE WAS A YELLOW QUEEN! Applejack all along!
Some shows have the ability to take twists and turns in great directions. Oz, for all of its meanderings, was excellent at this, but it dealt with a lot of changing allegiances, corrupt cops and prison owners from the get-go so that makes sense. The Sopranos also had a bunch, but that's the life of a gangster. TD, except for the trip to Texas in ep. 4 stayed inside its bubble, rarely introducing new names or characters outside of tangential interviewees.
Still, I'm not doubting that there'll be a lot of "The Butler Did It" blues circulating the internet, because what they had worked hard on themselves turned out to be a false path. But to get as wrapped up in a show to make these kinds of conclusions and comparisons.. isn't that why we watch TV in the first place?
One of the things, looking back, about a show like the X Files that I had a problem with is that we knew more than the characters did. All of the paranormal activity, Scully's abductions which she never remembers, the Cigarette Man's lineage.. it's established for the viewers before it's introduced to the characters. TD, on the other hand, save for a few hinting montages, gave us a lens that was no different than that of the detectives themselves, and I don't know if I've seen that before.
hold on... people were still wondering who the yellow king was AFTER the lawnmower scene? The screenwriter was a novelist, guys.
|Jet Bin Fever |
I don't know, his regalia makes me think he's more of a duke than a king.
|infinite zest |
@EvilHomer, I do agree to a certain extent that if Hart hadn't shown up in the car at the end of ep. 4, the hunter and suspect could've been killed in one fell swoop solving potentially two problems for a Killer Marty, but were they arrested, upon interrogation there would have been evidence of the sting linking Hart to the proximity of the events, not to mention the fact that everyone saw him at the biker bar.
The old addage "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" comes to mind, but as the show went on I was like "naw.. Hart ain't the killer, he's just kind of a cheating asshole with a deep-down hart of gold" (see what I did there?)
|infinite zest |
I think overall, people will look back on this the same way they look back at Lost today. "Oh, well, THAT happened.." at the time people were pissed, and for good reason, because they "wasted" over 100 hours getting to know these characters, all these false starts and stops.. that's a lot of time to devote to anything. TD is 8 hours, a normal work day.
If you're pissed about it, there'll be a season 2, and it probably won't end as predictably as season 1 did. What it WILL do is create more fans noticing the little details like minor characters, the symbolism that's written on the wall, metaphorically and physically. At first, after learning that there would be only 8 episodes in this cycle, I was a little pissed that they didn't cut to the chase sooner with the case, Raymond Chandler style, instead of meandering through a sea of romantic subplots. "Who's Hart gonna cheat on this week that we focus 65% of the episode on?"
Then I just learned to accept it as a really good pulp detective story.
>If you're pissed about it, there'll be a season 2
It won't have Harrelson and McCantspellhisname.
It probably won't have the same director.
It WILL have a writer who has proven he can write bromance very well, but all other characters will be stock archetypes.
It will probably be worse.
See.. that's what I'm kind of excited for. There's a nice world and atmosphere established, with subtle supernatural elements that of course didn't lead to anything by the show's conclusion. With a new pair of detectives, and possibly a completely new locale (like Alaska?) I remain cautiously optimistic.
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