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Desc:It might still be rubbish though.
Category:Arts, Classic Movies
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memedumpster - 2015-03-18
Well, does it make a pleasingly attractive shape that brings out a sense of the numinous in the observer? It's probably art. My favorite films are the ones left behind by pudding and spray on tan, though oilslicks can be marvelously beautiful.
TheSupafly - 2015-03-18
Oy, you hear that Paul Verhoven?
Hooker - 2015-03-18
This is pretty bad advice.
infinite zest - 2015-03-18
Yeah.. for someone who spends most of his time talking about objects that can cut things, you'd think he would've appreciated Steven Segal in Machete..

EvilHomer - 2015-03-19
What is bad about it, Mr Hooker? What methodology would you propose, instead?

Hooker - 2015-03-19
I don't think you can easily define what is and is not art unless you can clearly define what is meant by art, and that's eluded people for ages. However, the implication that all art is "about something" is wildly incorrect. That makes The Boy Who Cried Wolf more art than a Jackson Pollock painting.

Monkey Napoleon - 2015-03-19
There is no easy methodology to defining art. For one thing, it's about as highly subjective as something can get. For another thing, every time you make some kind of rule like this it's easy to poke holes in it. This one assumes that the artistry present in a given film has to lie in it's story-telling aspects.

If I have questions about ancient weaponry, then I consider lindybeige to be a somewhat reliable source of information,

If I have question about art, then I consider lindybeige to have a somewhat twisted perspective as this is a guy whose persona focuses heavily on getting his nipples twisted because a filmmaker didn't hire him or someone like to make sure the weaponry in the fantasy or period piece was 100% accurate or believable to a pedantic degree that only someone like him would notice.

infinite zest - 2015-03-19
Note to filmmakers: if you're going to do a Simon Pegg vehicle set in Medieval Times and there's a battle scene, Lindybeige can be the stunt double. He knows all about swords.


L̶i̶n̶d̶-- infinite_zest

EvilHomer - 2015-03-19
What is The Boy Who Cried Wolf about? What is a Jackson Pollock painting about? Which question will generate more discussion; is either question absurd?

infinite zest - 2015-03-19
It's an interesting analogy: artists like Pollock defined their career on explaining away why their work wasn't just paint splatters on a wall. And the Boy who Cried Wolf is about content vs. context, not about "don't lie too much or nobody will believe you" the same way that Pollock's Moby Dick isn't really about Melville's story but rather an internalization of.. I dunno I slept thru art history.

Hooker - 2015-03-19
Is discussion the goal line now? No 2015 films have been more discussed than Star Wars 7 and Fifty Shades of Grey.

EvilHomer - 2015-03-19
It's not discussion, but rather, discussion about meaning and metaphor. As Lloyd says, giving a synopsis of the plot is not enough; art has to touch on something deeper than "... and then the handsome stranger got out the handcuffs". Jackson Pollock, regardless of where you stand on his worth, is one of those painters who generates an endless stream of discourse on meaning. Everyone has an opinion on Pollock, and people love to argue over what, if anything, his paintings are "about"!

It's also important to remember Lloyd's caveat: even if a film IS ART, it might still be rubbish. Art isn't always good, and you don't have to like something merely because it passes the Lindybeige Test.

Hooker - 2015-03-19
Zardoz is the greatest movie ever made.

memedumpster - 2015-03-19
So many fine films left behind by Sean Connery in that movie, I absolutely agree. The penis is bad art. The gun is good art.

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