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Submitted:Crab Mentality
Date:04/01/15
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John Holmes Motherfucker
Just how evil do you have to be to be a Monsanto Lobbyist? This guy probably gives Satan the creeps.
Nominal
Have you ever met a business major?

B. Weed
It's probably no more morally corrupt than being a tobacco lobbyist.

kingarthur
1. Lobbyists usually recruit from the ranks of lawyers.

2. Not all of any one major is evil. Some people are legitimately just trying to escape poverty.

SolRo
Seems like people trying to escape poverty through education often want to do it by doing something useful to society, like engineering, medicine, etc.

People taking business majors seem to be the sort forced by their parents to go to get their inheritance.

SolRo
Or they play sports for the school and get that degree in the mail later.

spikestoyiu
This guy wouldn't know, because he's not a Monsanto lobbyist. I don't know how or why this video went viral without the slightest bit of fact checking, but this is Patrick Moore, and he's a former environmentalist. He's definitely a bit of an asshole these days, but he's not linked with Monsanto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_%28environmentalist %29

Potrod
The fact that a video went viral without any fact checking is depressing but also not surprising in the least. Thanks for clarifying, though I doubt anyone will acknowledge your correction. "Bit of an asshole" just doesn't have the same ring to it as PAID MONSANTO SHILL.

Old_Zircon
Perusing that Wikipedia article makes me suspect that this was probably started by one or another Internet environmentalist enclave.

Hooker
The magical moment in this is, before the interview even makes the offer, his conscience manages to peek its head above water and force him to say, "Not really."

dairyqueenlatifah
"You can drink it, it's perfectly fine!"
"Care to drink a glass?"
"No, I'm not an idiot."

This guy needs lessons in being convincingly dishonest.
il fiore bel
No, he doesn't. If anything, evil corporations should hire more people who lack filters.

Cena_mark
He should have said something like, "Oh, but I drank a quart earlier today and I'm watching my weight. You know how many calories that shit contains."

EvilHomer
No, you just look offended and tell them you're Jewish. It's not kosher so you can't drink it, bunch of insensitive antisemites.

Old_Zircon
Just like DDT. Except at least they had the decency to actually stand by their claims and eat the stuff.
Gmork
How much of it did they eat?

People like this should be forced to subsist solely on their own products.

Nominal
They are forced to eat The Stuff at the end of The Stuff.

Bort
There was a time before anyone realized there were problems with DDT; at first it really seemed to be a magic substance that could do no wrong.

Here's a guy eating DDT with porridge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcXXbuR244

DDT is still approved in the US, by the way -- but for disease control purposes only.

Old_Zircon
If I remember right, DDT actually IS safe to eat like that because of the rate that your body absorbs it - you're just going to pee it out. It's long term exposure, mostly for people working in crops, that's the real hazard. And the people behind the "eating DDT" stunts were well aware of this, or at least the "you'll just pee it all out so don't worry" part.

Could be confusing it with a different pesticide but I'm pretty sure it was DDT. I looked for the famous clip of the company president(?) drinking a glass of it on TV but can't find it.

Bort
"And the people behind the 'eating DDT' stunts were well aware of this, or at least the 'you'll just pee it all out so don't worry' part."

Gonna have to ask you to back that up, citizen. The fact that DDT's side effects are long-term and subtle makes it entirely plausible that, at least at first, they genuinely couldn't see any harm that DDT caused.

Bear in mind that there was great faith in the can-do nature of science for much of the 20th century, before your time and mine. We were born into the era when thalidomide babies were showing up and it seemed every new scientific advancement came at a price.

Old_Zircon
Well that's why I said "if I recall correctly" but to clarify, I'm thinking of one very specific, high profile stunt where the major US manufacturers of DDT send, I believe, the CEO on national TV with his wife to eat DDT in specific response to the calls for a ban, probably in the late 60s. I haven't seen the clip in the better part of a decade, though, and I haven't had much luck digging it up quickly (and don't have the time to really research) so yeah, take it with a grain of salt for now.

Old_Zircon
It's also very possible hat I'm mixing elements of the 1947 film linked earlier with J. Gordon Edwards eating DDT by the spoonful in the 70s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Gordon_Edwards_%28entomologis t_and_mountaineer%29

wtf japan
Actually, they used it to make a briefly popular cocktail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Slim

So plenty of people were ingesting it, apparently.

Old_Zircon
In Zappa's autobiography he talks about his father's work as a chemist on army bases around the Southwest when he was a child. One of the perks was unlimited free DDT, he said they usually had one or two 50 pound bags in the closet.

Gmork
"And the people behind the "eating DDT" stunts were well aware of this, or at least the "you'll just pee it all out so don't worry" part. "

That's the humanity I know!

Bort
This is missing the point, I think. RoundUp doesn't claim to be safe for ingestion; it's poison for God's sake. The safety data sheet on the stuff says to call a poison control center if someone ingests the stuff.

The issue with RoundUp is serious health effects from "safe" levels of exposure.

I would like to hear about golden rice, please.
Grandmaster Funk
You are missing the point. The Monsanto representative made that exact claim. His entire purpose in appearing on this program is to mislead the public by making a memorable statement that stupid people will remember and repeat--"You can drink a glass of RoundUp and be fine." It doesn't have to be true in reality for it to be true in the minds of the ignorant or gullible.

If he isn't called on that bullshit, and instead some poindexter rambles on about safety data sheets, the lobbyist has won. People will be less likely to care about any investigation or regulation.

Bort
Okay, good point.

godot
The issue isn't whether glyphosate is safe, its whether its safer than other herbicide alternatives. On that count, there's not much contention that it is indeed safer to humans and the environment than other broad spectrum herbicides like paraquat, dichlobnil, diuron, or sethoxydim.

There are certainly organic alternatives that are still safer, but they are all MUCH more expensive to farmers and entail more tilling and soil erosion. Some organic herbicides (eg. inorganic copper) are potentially more hazardous to human health.

The moron in this video deserves to lose his job as a PR hack. The benefit in GMO herbicides is not that they're harmless, its that they're relatively lower in cost, human health and environmental harms, and soil damage.

godot
It should be noted that the patents on both glyphosate and glyphosate resistance genes have long expired. Roundup isn't really a Monsanto issue, but an entire seed-industry issue, these days. Monsanto, DuPont, Syngenta, Groupe Limagrain, Land'O Lakes, KWS, Bayer Crop Science, Sakata, DLF-Triflium, and Takii are all members of the seed oligopoly.

TheOtherCapnS
The lack of forward-thinking in corporations is the most appalling thing to me. There's nothing wrong with entities making huge sums of money, unless they aren't spending that money on constructive long term plans. Agriculture is without question the most powerful force that humanity has created. The fact that the largest corporation that benefits from it is solely focused on shareholder profits rather than advancing the fields of robotics, computation, topology, solar power, etc; is the greatest criticism of pure capitalism that can be devised.

TheOtherCapnS
I did not intend for that to be a reply, but it works.

godot
When I make my first billion dollars, I will devote it all to advancing the science of topology.

Muahahaha!

Gmork
Ahh, the Grand Seed Oligopoly. I believe we had an encounter with them on Rigel 7.

Syd Midnight
You are all missing the point. This man is not and never has been a Monsanto representative. The entire purpose in him appearing on this program is to mislead the public by making a memorable statement that stupid people will remember and repeat "A Monsanto representative said that you can drink a glass of RoundUp and be fine."

Rodents of Unusual Size
I want to favorite this more than once.
kamlem
KAMLEM COLA: PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE WITH IT AND FAILED! DRINK IT TODAY!
Gmork
I love how his argument was that people REGULARLY FAILED, which implies a margin of success.

Redford
The problem is the "safe to use" argument hinges very firmly on what is safe to be used and what you COULD use and still be safe. In this circumstance, they are claiming in small quantities that yes, most herbicides are not dangerous for human consumption. As a matter of common sense one should still not consume large amounts of herbicides and he doesn't want to either, they taste gross and just because you could do it to prove a point doesn't mean that you should do it regardless.

This is the same sort of logic trap used by anti-vaxxers to defend that vaccines are toxic. Person who makes vaccines who knows that it contains trace elements that are harmful to the human body. Anti-vaxxer says "Oh, then you should take 100 doses", which might still be safe but the person trying to make the point doesn't want to, because no human would ever to take that many doses. Anti-vaxxer claims the victory anyway.
SolRo
"You can drink a whole quart of it and it wont hurt you"

"You Can Drink A Whole Quart Of It And It Wont Hurt You"

"YOU CAN DRINK A -WHOLE- QUART OF IT AND IT -WONT- HURT YOU"

Syd Midnight
The parts of the interview that were edited out make it clear that they were talking about a different interview he'd given where he was discussing the 100:1 concentration used in farming, and while I assume that would probably make you sick, in context what he said is actually closer to the truth than the title of the video itself.

Although I suppose "French tabloid pulls a fake gotcha interview with some dumbass who's shilling golden rice and wind him up and edit it to make him sound extra stupid and anti-GMO activists lie about it and almost everyone falls for this because using Google to fact check retarded sound bytes is beyond their capability" wouldn't fit in the title field.

Black Napkins
Yeah, because I needed this moron to make my job harder.

I kind of need Vitamin A. Doesn't mean I'd drink a quart of it.
Bort
What's your job exactly? Perhaps you can tell me about the golden rice?

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