lol at Fox News, like I watch that shit
take your The Guardian butt plug out for a minute
I'm not here to defend the US-Iraq war as moral, or even as an honest mistake. It was deliberate and W will likely go down as our worst president/administration of all time. He seriously fucked up our country.
That said, W can W all he wants, and our enemies are still real. They're not a hallucination of the right, nor are they the sole creation of the right. Polarized thinking might get you to conclude that, but hold back.
I am here to defend the US going into Afghanistan, including killing Islamicist targets whenever possible, even if their family goes with them. In the best of all worlds within possibility, the West still needed to go into Afghanistan, and to continue with strikes, there and elsewhere, that would injure civilians along the way. The typical drone pilot is not callous about killing civilians, fuck you asshole. The typical Islamicist wants to kill as many civilians as possible. You don't always need to put those two things on a scale against each other, but if you never ever do, you're a fucking ideological hack, too.
There are going to be fucked-up moments by Western soldiers that are accidents, or callous, or psychopathic. That's when our actions go wrong. When Islamicist actions go wrong, they fail to blow up civilians.
Drone attacks can be more precise than anything that came before them. They can also go wrong. But I don't expect the West to stand idly by across multiple terror attacks- and appeasement is for fucking imbeciles.
If the cycle is doomed to repeat, I'm fine with that, because I have no reason to believe that Islamicists will ever stop, and I don't see the cycle how you do. It will always be a new issue for them. They are not fighting for freedom and their homeland, they're fighting for an ideology. (A fraction of their fight may be economic, but they've completely externalized the economic fight they need to have, let alone that there's plenty of money in Saudi Al Qaeda)
But your strawman "get oil or just to satiate their military industrial complexes need for war" is too dumb to take apart. You couldn't think of anything else, huh?
Furthermore, we're going to err in asymmetric warfare, it's inevitable, e.g. thinking that destabilization is good and maybe that being a terrible idea.... or maybe it's too soon to tell. I'm fine with ruthlessness versus what we're up against.
Dresden was fire-bombed. That was a completely horrible thing to do, except in the context of the war. Destabilizing a bunch of shit so that two of our enemies fight each other instead is fine by me in the big picture, because my judgement is that Islamic power is a thousand-fold worse for humanity than Western power, and I don't believe that clean-hands ethics is a practically possible kind of ethics.
Individuals sadly get swept along with the tide.
Islamicist values are FUCKING INSANE (and moderate Islam's value fucking suck), the West's values are only crappy at times, and there's no third side for you to be on unless you live in the Amazon or something. China's? Go nuts. You'll be dead of pollution in a few years.
The Guardian and Marxist continentals and their ilk have no motherfucking solution for Islamicists, and they're fixated on thinking that all enemies are internal and conservative, and that military action is evil, deliberate and pointlessly agressive by its nature. Such idealism. The Left's job is to oppose the Right, apparently, and not engage in circumspection or break the mold. It's a newspaper and university crowd that (like the right) has lost all sense of proportion and exists in pure reaction.
In a sentence, the modern left in the West has made its moral center "anything but Western power". It's mouth-breathingly stupid, and cuts hard against what liberal values should be, to boot.
I don't watch Fox News. I'm center-left and I try to keep my head out of the clouds by trying to vote/push/donate/volunteer for a practically better world. I don't pray for magic Anti-Western, Anti-Right idealistic solutions as a fundamental stance.
But keep high-horsing it, by all means. Maybe we can throw a bunch of money at the Islamicists. They'll be sure to distribute it the way Sweden would, right?