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Category:News & Politics, Religious
Tags:bill maher, awkward, Larry Wilmore, Transgender, Milo Yiannopoulos
Submitted:Rodents of Unusual Size
Date:02/18/17
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cognitivedissonance
Maher is a toad.
Caminante Nocturno
And Wilmore has a face like one.

Bort
And when he's excited he does a great Lemongrab imitation. Close yer eyes and listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgFfPUOKpw#t=4m12s

namtar
Why does anyone watch this show? Maher is anti-vax bigot. Milo is a self-hating gay who directs his self-hatred to other, more marginalized groups. Then Malcom Nance started in with OMG Russian hackerz "stole" emails from the DNC, as always to distract from how shitty the DNC is and was.
cognitivedissonance
Nobody really watches it, it's merely cheap to produce, fills a dead air slot, and occasionally gets a headline here and there. It would actually cost more to replace than to let it rot where it stands.

Anaxagoras
I occasionally watch it because Maher often has good jokes and generates interesting conversations with his guests w/out just talking over them all the time.

I didn't care for this episode, though; Milo is just too much of a douchebag. Not even Larry Wilmore could salvage this one.

15th
That was a pretty entertaining panel. I didn't know Wilmore was capable of being kinda funny on camera.

cognitivedissonance
Larry Willmore: the black Drew Carey.

Old_Zircon
Why do we assume he's self hating? I've known plenty of proudly out gay men over the years who were horribly transphobic, misogynistic and/or biphobic (especially biphobic). Certainly nowhere near the majority by a long shot but also not nearly as rare as one would hope.


Being in a minority group, any minority group, doesn't automatically mean someone can't be a bigoted asshole themselves.

BorrowedSolution
POETV: Marxist talking point central!

Seriously guys, pull your heads out of your asses. Transphobic? Racist? You leftists make your ideological enemies into Hitlerian bogeymen and then rub each others tummies all night in your safe spaces hiding from the BIG BAD WORDS.

It's okay, faggots. Don't worry, all these horrible, right-wing conservatives will keep running the world while you whinge in your bubbles. That silent majority that we all love to have so much contempt for will wake up tomorrow, go to church, eat dinner together and continue their nefarious plot to make human civilization viable for one more year.

'Trans' people are a fucking joke now. The majority of them aren't TRANSITIONING, they're just attention-whoring their mental illnesses, and you putzes are clapping for them to get that wonderful glow of self-righteousness that comes from defending people you don't know or care about. Trans 'phobia' is just a slander that you subnormals keep repeating; -phobia denotes an irrational fear of something. I'm not afraid of 'Trans' people. I just want them to shut up about what is or isn't in their precious panties. I don't spend all day talking about my dick, my girlfriend doesn't talk about her cunt and we don't want or need special treatment for it.

The truth is that if it weren't for 'phobias' and 'isms', these losers would have to own up to the fact that life isn't fair, people aren't equal for reasons outside of everybody's control, and life would go on. But nawwwwww, let's make America into a hug-box. That sounds intelligent and responsible.

BorrowedSolution
Honestly guys/gals/xers/whatever your issues are; just start lining up for the Gulags. Might as well get to the head of the line so you can scream "FIRST" and pick out the nice bunks.

Communism doesn't work out well for useful idiots, and all of the people in the "THAT'S RACIST AND -PHOBIC" camp are the definition of useful idiots. The thing about idiots is that, well, they're idiots. When you finally all get your way (although I'll give most of you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't actually understand what you're cheer-leading for because IDIOTS) you'll be high on the list of possible subversives. You follow whatever ideological martyr comes along and that's dangerous to totalitarians.

Honestly, you all make me a bit sick. Read the Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzenitchyn (bro won some serious accolades for it) and you might start to understand what's happening here. Irresponsible, disgusting scum. All of you.

15th
>>POETV: Marxist talking point central.

What?


>>
That silent majority that we all love to have so much contempt for will wake up tomorrow, go to church, eat dinner together and continue their nefarious plot to make human civilization viable for one more year.

LOL

BorrowedSolution
Exactly. You don't know that you're a Marxist.

That's why you're disgusting.

SolRo
Hey borrow, you know you're a witless idiot?

Just thought I'd inform you.

BorrowedSolution
And your contempt for the conservative silent majority shows that very, very well. Who do you think grows your food? Trannies? Gay rights activists? Berkeley protesters? No. Farmers are generally religious and conservative.

I know, I know, you see lots of farmers on Vice who are all about inefficient and expensive organic farming and you just Know that they're so much better than those evil, twisted conservative farmers who put the food on your table. If those were our only farmers, we wouldn't have enough food for everybody but they're just so trendy and they REALLY CARE about humanity, and you REALLY CARE about humanity, so they're the only ones you care about.

Line up for the Gulag, buddy.

BorrowedSolution
A cogent, well thought out and studiously developed response, Solro.

Blow me.

SolRo
You assumed I'd write a serious response to a fucking retard?

15th
I'm not a Marxist and I don't have contempt for farmers/the "silent majority." What the hell are you talking about?

I just didn't understand, are you saying SJWism is Marxism?

Yeah, lots of conversatives own means of production. Lots of liberals regulate the environment/public safety. We need both, you big dodo bird.

BorrowedSolution
No Solro, I don't expect you to be able to form a cogent response to anything. Neither do you, that's why you don't bother. It's easier to hide behind pithy one-liners.

15th: SJWism IS Marxism. Yes. It is.

SJWs essentially say that White People (Especially Straight White Males) are the Oppressive Ruling Class and that Women and Minorities are the Proletariat and we need to fight the White People in order to make everybody equal.

Marxism.

It's really very simple if you're not a gormless ideologue.

John Holmes Motherfucker
>>>'Trans' people are a fucking joke now. The majority of them aren't TRANSITIONING, they're just attention-whoring their mental illnesses, and you putzes are clapping for them to get that wonderful glow of self-righteousness that comes from defending people you don't know or care about.

I have a trans son, you ignorant piece of shit. The reason why it isn't a mental illness is because the treatment is physical, and the treatment works. It's not political correctness, it's fifty years of successful therapy. Frankly, I'd rather have a daughter, but my son is happier. His mother's family, VERY conservative, have accepted him completely because you just can't miss how much better adjusted he is.

>>>>Honestly, you all make me a bit sick. Read the Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzenitchyn (bro won some serious accolades for it) and you might start to understand what's happening here.

Since the United States currently imprisons a greater percentage of it's population than any other country, you've accidentally said something that's true. But I suspect that what you're afraid of is that we'll start locking up dissidents en masse, the way they do in Canada. And Sweden. And Denmark. And France. And England.

>>>I know, I know, you see lots of farmers on Vice who are all about inefficient and expensive organic farming

If you think farming without pesticides is inefficient, wait until you see them try it without honeybees.

>>>That silent majority that we all love to have so much contempt for will wake up tomorrow, go to church, eat dinner together and continue their nefarious plot to make human civilization viable for one more year.

I think that's lovely. My transsexual son goes to church. I just don't see how decent healthcare is going to interfere with that.

SolRo
It's funny that blathering idiots think they should be taken seriously just because they write down a lot of their stupidity. I mean, really, that's how you know you're a fuckin moron; you think volume is more important than substance.

John Holmes Motherfucker
I really really REALLY don't have a problem with people going to church and eating dinner together, and I also believe that words like "racist" and "transphobic", and when people dismiss me for being white and male, I think it's offensive and wrong. The thing is, everybody else in the world has been taking this kind of shit for a lot longer than white males, and everybody else in the world still takes a lot more of it. So, I can object, and I always do, but there's a limit to how much righteous outrage is appropriate. Shrieking about THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO is way the fuck over that limit.

Conservatives think it's paranoid for me to worry about a president who has openly promised to undermine the first amendment's press freedom's, and seemed to think he could simply jail his opponent when he won, a classic dictator move (guess he changed his mind about that, so I guess we can all be slightly relieved). This is actually happening, but I'm just being paranoid to worry about it.

Conservatives on the other hand, are afraid THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO, and -my god-- SHARIA LAW. I could spend all day and all night listing things that are more likely to happen than Sharia law in the United States. It's safe to suppose that Muslims who come to America from theocracies aren't doing it because they like theocracy, but never mind that. The constitution, man. They can't get a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning, but we're going to get SHARIA LAW?

Rodents of Unusual Size
I don't think Milo is self hating. He is very Catholic though, and I think he misinterprets a lot of things about gay culture and thinks it should all be about trying to be different and camp. He seems to fear gay people integrating into normal society too much. He admits to wanting children and he doesn't believe that children should be brought up by anyone other than a man and a woman together. It's not the first time religion has fucked someone up. It's more like having values conflicting inside one's head and not being able to realize it. It's cognitive dissonance plus a sort of sadness disguised as not caring.

I actually really agree with a lot of his take on the regressive left and when he's speaking and not taking uppers he's great. I don't agree with him on everything but I enjoy seeing him speak for the things I do. But holy hell, pair him up on a panel and he just falls apart and chalks it up to being mischievous. I think he's full of bullshit on transsexuals. And I think he missed many opportunities here to make some great debate (which he espouses) in lieu of just giving up and being an ass, which saddens and annoys me. I know he's capable of more.

As for the other panel members, they weren't really all that engaging either. The whole thing was a giant letdown.

Rodents of Unusual Size
Also, just wanted to say I really liked your posts here, JHM but I will throw in that most Muslims do approve of sharia law when they move to other countries, especially Europe. Sharia is often indoctrinated at an early age as being synonymous with the Quran, even though that's debatable.

15th
Borrowed Solution,

Ah, I think the theory is called "Cultural Marxism." Not the village owns the tractor Marxism, that I was thinking about.

So, the working-class majority hold together the fabric of the state, while university-educated "intellectuals" secretly wish to undermine and destroy society/the ethnic majority?

Isn't that a classic Marxist notion?

Miss Henson's 6th grade class
"I see a lot of farmers on Vice..."

Anaxagoras
Well, they got one thing right, at least: Milo *is* a young, gay, alive Christopher Hitchens. So +stars for that insight.
StanleyPain
That's the kind of thing that someone who has never read, heard, or had any interaction with anything Hitchens did would say.

It's funny when people who literally know fuck all about Hitchens talk about him and reveal themselves to be the biggest fucking idiots.

Xenocide
MILO: Blacks and trans people aren't human lol just kidding lol not really lol.

MAHER: Holy SHIT this genius is literally Hemingway back from the dead.


I guarantee that Maher wouldn't be able to name a single specific reason for the Hitchens comparison. He just needed a moderately famous name, preferably someone recently dead so they couldn't object to the comparison.

Patton Oswalt nailed it last night when he called Milo "Ann Coulter doing a Frank N. Furter voice."

Anaxagoras
Umm... I've read quite a lot of Hitchens. I think he's an idiot.

You know, sometimes people read people that you like and come to a different conclusion. It's true!

Anaxagoras
Oh, a specific reason for the Hitchens comparison? Lazy bomb-throwing that affects both sides but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. For example, Hitchens' atheism was strident and occasionally amusing, but it didn't stand up to even a cursory inspection. Much like Milo's stance on anything.

Well, actually, Milo is never amusing, so the comparison does have its limits.

Old_Zircon
I haven't read any Hitchens that I can recall, it sounds like he's kind of a more literate Sam Harris?

kamlem
Hitchens had some shitty opinions. "Why are women, who have the whole male world at their mercy, not funny?". "'Bombing Afghanistan back into the Stone Age was quite a favourite headline for some wobbly liberals. The slogan does all the work. But an instant's thought shows that Afghanistan is being, if anything, bombed OUT of the Stone Age."

Hitchens had some shitty opinions that he confronted and changed. His opinion on waterboarding as torture changed after being tenderly waterboarded.

Hitchens had some great opinions that were presented is a droll, sardonic way that made him funny as hell. I also listened to him for years when he was a regular guest on Australian left wing radio show "Late Night Live".

I felt great affection for him without necessarily agreeing with everything he said, and see no comparison to Mr alt right fuckwit.

Bort
"Hitchens had some shitty opinions that he confronted and changed. His opinion on waterboarding as torture changed after being tenderly waterboarded."

Yeah about that: after being one of the Iraq War's most fervent cheerleaders, Hitchens needed some way to distance himself from that gang of idiots without losing his reputation as an earnest, intellectually honest seeker of truth. His solution: allow himself to be waterboarded under circumstances completely under his own control (you weren't kidding about "tenderly"), declare that waterboarding really is torture, and condemn the Iraq War because of the way it was prosecuted.

Now, you can't prove a virtue, and you can't prove a vice. So when I say it was entirely a self-serving move on Hitchens' part with roughly zero concern for victims of torture, tyranny, or war, I could be misjudging the guy. But I think there is at least a case for it.

Caminante Nocturno
Normally I wouldn't give a pundit the time of day, but I have a slight soft spot for Yiannopoulos because he's exactly what the modern day left deserves.

It's also not surprising to see that Wilmore is still the same insufferable pig that he was on his old talk show.
Xenocide
MOOOOM! LARRY SAID A BAD WORD!

Nikon
Milo held his own - at a certain point the guests couldn't even debate him. I agree with you that Milo is what the radical left deserves, and since we're talking about what's owed, Milo owes them a debt for helping to make his book #1 on amazon bestsellers list.

SolRo
What is this "radical left" some idiots keep scapegoating?

Caminante Nocturno
It's that angry little creature that stares back at you every time you look in the mirror, SolRo.

SolRo
Go back to trying out PUA lines on your hug pillows, degenerate.

kamlem
#1 Amazon bestseller! Wow!

http://observer.com/2016/02/behind-the-scam-what-does-it-takes -to-be-a-bestselling-author-3-and-5-minutes/

Spaceman Africa
caminante relates to milo because they both want to bone children

Caminante Nocturno
SolRo's going to be really angry at you for saying that before he could.

Spaceman Africa
who the fuck is solro

Caminante Nocturno
It's that angry little creature that stares back at you every time you look in the mirror, Spaceman.

simon666
I haven't watched the video, but all of your comments seem to be ad hominems against various people on the show. Did y'all lose your capacity to discuss the content of what was said or is it that you just prefer framing exercises for the sake of mental masturbation (that was a false dichotomous if you didn't catch it).
Anaxagoras
You should watch the video before flapping your lips. Seriously.

See, not much of consequence was said during the video; it was all personality. So attacking (or defending) the personalities (aka ad hominems) is pretty much the only thing there is to say about the video.

15th
I'm willing to argue that Milo is a big dumb dodo bird that is stupid and eats his own shit cuz he thinks it's food, on account of being so fucking dumb and even after doing it like 50 times, he figured out it was shit, but kept eating it anyways, then the shit nutrients went to his brain and made him dumber.

I await your response.

Xenocide
Okay, here's some attacks on Milo that aren't ad homenim:

Milo considers it valid and necessary to go in front of a crowd of thousands of college students, pick out one person from the crowd, put her personal information up onscreen and mock and insult her appearance and background so badly that she ends up dropping out of school. This is something that actually happened at one of his events.

Milo also has no problem inspiring people to attempt murder in his name, as one of his followers shot a peaceful protestor at one of Milo's events at the U of Washington, yet Milo was more concerned with students at Berkeley knocking over trash cans.

BUT GUYS, LET'S ALL BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL TOWARD HIM OR ELSE *WE'RE* THE REAL TROLLS. *wags finger so hard it creates a singularity*

Rodents of Unusual Size
Just a few corrections, here.

The person who was shot was a Bernie Sanders supporter and was shot by ANOTHER leftist who THOUGHT the guy he shot was a white supremacist. None of Milo's fans or followers was actually involved in that incident.

Milo himself has never once condoned physical violence and he has been consistent on this throughout his career.

Singling people out on a screen who are not in the public eye is shitty and I won't contest that it's shitty.

Maggot Brain
pearls, really?
Rosebeekee
Fake dollar store pearls to. Like some kind of trashy tart.

Oscar Wildcat
Look, if you're gonna go all nelly and screech about the evil trannies eating the women and children, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME PEARLS TO CLUTCH, AMIRITE?!?

Rodents of Unusual Size
I think that's his own private joke. He talks a lot about how people on the left love to clutch their pearls.

But they are cheap and he does look like he was raised in a trailer park. Which is to say I entirely approve.

Binro the Heretic
This was a major step backwards in television.

This is equivalent to Geraldo having the Klan on his show. There's no debate or discussion with assholes like this. All you can do is out-insult them and shout them down. And that just gives them an excuse to act the poor persecuted murder.

Yiannopoulos was right about one thing. Transgendered people are disproportionately involved in sex crimes, but as the VICTIMS. Transgendered women aren't going to start raping other women in restrooms. And a male who deliberately wears traditionally female attire has no business calling a transgendered woman a "confused male."

And of course, the right-wing asshole was the one to invoke the first amendment in defense of Yiannopoulos. Having the right to say something doesn't automatically mean it's okay to say anything and it doesn't mean you are owed a platform on which to say it.

I'm glad I didn't watch this shit. I hope Maher's ratings took a hit.
Xenocide
Maher just wanted to get to see the sun for one brief moment. It's hard for him to see anything these days, really, since he spends every living moment in John Oliver's shadow.

Old_Zircon
For people who are trying their hardest to get rid of all of our first amendment protections, the right sure don't know much about what the first amendment actually says.

John Holmes Motherfucker
No real human being, no matter how gay, is compelled by their nature to mince like that. He could put on a dress for all I care, but this is not political discourse, it's a stunt.

And you're right, this schtick would be pointless without the angry opposition. It's easy for Milo to come off as the winner when he confronts a crowd of angry college students who come to one of his "Triggering" events, and try to shout him down.apparently to be triggered. This was different, in my opinion. These were adults, and they weren't losing their calmly. They told him to go fuck himself... not because of anger, but because he can go fuck himself.

SolRo
so ROUS doesn't like milo now?

They share so many views though
Rodents of Unusual Size
See my above posts.

I love hearing him speak and agree with him on a number of issues but I call BS when I see it.

Old_Zircon
Every time I scroll by this on the front page my brain skips over the word "told."
John Holmes Motherfucker
Oh,Look, it's Oscar Vile, the "DANGEROUS FAGGOT"

Wouldn't.
dairyqueenlatifah
Ah Larry "It doesn't matter if water was found on Mars and scientist are stupid for thinking it matters and so are you" Wilmore. What a profoundly retarded talking head.

Milo has literally built his internet celebrity status on outraged "liberals" telling him to shut up/go fuck himself. They're eating out of his hand, doing exactly what he wants them to.

I don't like the fag, but I have to agree with him on two counts: Saudis are worse than Russians, and Leslie Jones types like a moron.
SolRo
Don't forget she's black, which was her first mistake!

Rodents of Unusual Size
Her second was trying to act.

SolRo
And being uppity!

Caminante Nocturno
You misspelled 'ugly'.

kingarthur
Please, next person who sees Milo out in public, punch him in the mouth a few times. If enough of us do it, he might go away. "Free speech" does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.
cognitivedissonance
He travels through the sewer and ductwork. You'll never see him alone in the open. You'll have to send in some terriers.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Exhibit A of why you don't give crazy shit talkers equal time.
SolRo
Good thing corporations have turned news and journalism into a ratings game above all else, and screeching agitpropagandists get them viewers.

The right wing propagandists have realized this and are playing the system to the full extent

Miss Henson's 6th grade class
Scrotum gets it. It takes two to have a reasonable discussion. With Milo and Bill, we get maybe one-half.

Spaceman Africa
so is he poz or what
NewHeavenSockman
jury's out on that, but judging by twitter's current trending witch hunt, he's quite possibly a delightful hebephile

which does help explain why caminante posted roughly a dozen times telling us how milo is living rent-free in all our skulls

SolRo
While cm is a pedo, I don't think he's into little boys.

And thus he lost another idol

Caminante Nocturno
Traps are fine.

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