I watched RLM and Chris Stuckmann reviews.

They both said it was good, and *much much* better than the theatrical cut.. Apparently giving directors (even Snyder) control over their project leads to good movies, who would've thunk it.

I will never bother watching this shit though.. When these come out I just think "ooh looking forward to the RLM review of that."

The movie is painfully long and boring. The quote Mark Kermode , "it's coherently dull".

There's an over-use of slow-mo, and and 4 or 5 plodding musical montage sequences. It's the most Zack Snyder , Zack Snyder's ever been allowed to be, and in typical fashion that doesn't translate to anything qualitativley, just quantitativley.

PS: Martha Manhunter is the moment the movie jumped the shark for me.

I liked the movie. Big improvement, and a pretty good justice league movie overall. The epilogue was trash.

To be fair, the more I think about the "Martha Manhunter" scene, the more it seems typical of DC comics, at least the DC comics I grew up with in the 60s. In that crazy universe of tall tales, things would happen not IN SPITE of being outlandish and unlikely, but BECAUSE of being outlandish and unlikely.

I can't wait til JJ Abrams gets to take a crack at this.

Too much to hope for an m night shamalan cut?

I like slow and self-indulgent. Lockdown's a great time to catch up on slow-ass films. Lately I've watched The Good The Bad and the Ugly (177m) and Lawrence of Arabia (227m) -- both totally worth it.

I just... can't see giving that much time to a superhero movie. 1hr for the RLM review was plenty; I don't even have the enerrgy left to wtch this clip.

I'm about halfway through JL and so far Iike t better than Snyder's previous two Superman films. Maybe he's taking himself less seriously or maybe I'm just finally in on the joke, but the tone seems opppressive and self-consciously thematic to me. One quick example. Man of Steel and BvS both demanded that we think about Superman as a god figure -- but they did it in an uninteresting way, by having characters flat-out ask "is he a god? What does a god owe the world? Who holds a god accountable?" It was talky but ultimately flat, telling without showing. By contrast, I really enjoyed the scene of the villagers singing what sounded like a folk hymn to Aquaman while holding his nasty discarded sweater like a holy relic. It made me think Aquaman probably has little cults popping up all around the North Atlantic, and it helped to make him FEEL like a god, or a myth anyway, without us needing a congresswoman to ask "what if Aquaman is a god?"

Snyder's superhero flicks seem to be interested in the mythic plane, and it's nice that with JL he relaxed a bit and just let it happen without ramming it into the dialogue, because with his visual instincts he can trust himself to get there even if he's not meaning to.

But I'm only midway through. It probably shits the bed in the back half.

I also like long, boring movies with slow developments and lots of space to think, so I guess I'm keyed for this one although it's got a wee bit more razzmatazz than Andrei Rublev or Atanarjuat.

I also meant to say *less* oppressive and self-consciously thematic up there.

DC's top heroes are simple, iconic, and their personalities are defined by their biographies. As characters, they're not very interesting. The exception may be Batman, who is pretty funded in the head,, but Bruce Wayne is no Tony Stark, and Clark Kent is no Peter Parker.

So this is a problem when you want to make a summer blockbuster about
Superman and Wonder Woman. They're not characters, they're icons, and so you have to play them up as icons. And that kind of sucks. Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan did great stuff with Batman, but in my opinion, every Superman movie ever has been long winded and silly, although Christopher Reeve was great. Likewise, Gal Godot is a perfect Wonder Woman, but she mostly flies around in slow motion, and speaks in feminist motivational slogans.

But the great thing about icons is how they can be reinvented. Any straight definitive Superman movie will fall short, but DC has more alternate universes than Rick and Morty. So you've got an animated movie about Kal-El's rocket landing in the Soviet Union instead of the US, or an animated movie about a Victorian-era Batman chasing Jack the Ripper, who turns out to be Commissioner Gordon, or a gritty, horrific retooling of the Joker's Origin story with Joaquin Pheonix and no Batman. Or a Harley Quinn movie with no Joker, which is extremely violent, but which checks most of the boxes for your standard chick flick. Or an animated series in which Harley Quinn drops the Joker into a vat of SPECIAL acid that turns him into an ordinary suburban step-dad, and season 2 ends with Harley making out with Posion Ivy. The 2nd string DCa issireally the BEST