|Night Train to Mundo Fine |
You know it's awesome cause of how many swords got unsheathed.
|Johnny Madhouse |
I have a hard time telling this apart from the LOTR movies. Fived for that uncanny similarity alone, all value judgments about either show aside.
No elves in this one. Hardly any magic, mostly sex and violence and court intrigue. It could almost be about the Hundred Years War or something (crossed with Dragon age).
I wonder how oswaldtheluckyrabbit feels about this.
Ugh. The thread system on this site is a farce.
knights who say "fuck"
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With lots of raep, so you KNOW that it's serious and mature and for adults and not retarded shit for gay babies like every fantasy book ever written ever.
I tried hard to think of a way to mock that statement, but honestly there's nothing I can think of that could make you look more foolish than suggesting an entire genre of literature is "retarded shit for gay babies". It's the sort of thing I'd expect to hear on an angry overweight Juggalo related submission.
Knights who say "fuck" really deserves to be some sort of tag.
Fantasy literature is one of most aesthetically worthless art forms created by modern man
supposed to be a response to post above. Oh well. I'm sure we'll get to hear about how all the sex and violence makes this somehow "mature".
I know, its all the same old stories about magical spirits and heroes in epic quests against monsters using magic swords. And the sex and violence appeals to the most base and prurient of interests without adding anything to culture and art. Not to mention those lazy deus ex machina moments. I mean, what contributions have books like The Odyssey, Beowulf and Gilgamesh made to literature and art? None!
That's like if you said romantic comedies suck and I responded with WHAT ABOUT "TWELFTH NIGHT"?
You know exactly what kind of fantasy literature I'm talking about (aka stuff written within the last fucking 400 years) and don't pretend that the Odyssey is the same kind of thing.
It's clear from what you're saying that you aren't actually criticizing the medium or themes, but simply grouping a number of books you've deemed to be bad and using it to dismiss all works in that genre. If you are trying to say "most popular fantasy books are unimpressive", I'd gladly agree. I personally don't read fantasy books outside Tolkein, Pratchett and Gaiman, although I'm sure that are other worthy authors I simply haven't discovered.
"Fantasy" describes nearly every piece of art or story during most of human history that wasn't a literal representation or instruction manual. We lived in a world that, until fairly recently, couldn't be conceived without magic, Gods, and a narrative used to define what constitutes a story since literally before civilization. While the field has diversified, those works are now less valid today, and there is no reason why modern fantasy speaks any less to the human condition. Fantasy is now primarily defined by the setting used to explore a story and its themes. But the setting is just a tool, with which authors use to impart a message. Often the only difference between fantasy and science fiction is time period and the language used to describe deviation from reality. You can look upon the dreck to dismiss all that is good in the field, but I really don't know why you would.
I don't know what it is in you that makes you so angry and dismissive at work that children enjoy, but I'm sorry that so much great work is closed off to you. Maybe you are right and I am wrong. But I don't think it was stupidity or immaturity that lead me to love The Hobbit or Watership Down as a child, and when I read them today nothing in my experience changes that joy. I've met many people who will vehemently dismiss science fiction, or philosophy, or fiction in general, or even reading. That's fine. I draw meaning and pleasure from this knowledge and art, and don't demand that you agree.
OH SHIT, OSWALD JUST GOT SERVED!
I'll admit I've never read these books, but come on..what the fuck is the point of a medieval fantasy style setting if it's just a bunch of fucking court intrigue/forced gravitas shit? I mean, either write something with some dragons and sorcerers and shit, or just write shitty bodice rippers and go at it full force. It always confuses me how stuff that isn't going in either one of those directions has so many fans.
It's like most anime: awful entertainment for immature people who lack the cognitive ability to engage with entertainment appropriate to their age level so instead they content themselves with an amalgam of nostalgic childhood memories peppered with sex and violence to remind them that they're still adults. It's grown men treating things like Avatar: The Last Airbender as something else than shiny bullshit for children, which is what it basically is, and it's pathetic.
And these are the same people who usually bash Twilight if given a chance, which is funny because it's all the same thing--adults consuming products made for a child's age level.
I'm just going to sneak in here and posit that Harry Potter is an another one of those trashy fantasy trope amalgamations and flee away into the night before I get attacked by the bearded masses...
|WHO WANTS DESSERT |
YOU WILL BELIEVE THAT THRONES CAN GAME
I used to read this sorta thing back in middle school and now I'm older I wish I'd never had and instead focused more on sports and pussy so fuck anyone who ever has and ever will enjoy this. Now my secret is safe and no one will ever know that I once was, and still would be if not for fear of societal rejection, a nerd.
Did the one star rating obscure the fact that I was being totally sarcastic and making a guess at the real reason certain people are so dead-set against this and stuff like it? :(
Not even worth of a one star.... The HBO formula of "Historical Fiction Genre Sopranos" is getting a little tired with Boardwalk Empire, even if the show itself is fantastic and I love it.
|Caminante Nocturno |
I can't even think about how to rate this because of the comments.
Look at you shits and your desperate race to sound more grown-up.
If hating books where the swords have their own names and women get raped every 50 pages makes me an elitist asshole, then so be it
I didn't call you an elitist asshole.
You don't even deserve that much.
Night Train to Mundo Fine
I'm a history student.
Women really do get raped every fifty pages.
Also people totally gave swords names.
The past was silly. Why shouldn't our fantasy be? How is this much more ridiculous than Deadwood or Walking Dead?
Well, I kind of dislike Walking Dead too. I feel like there's only so much you can do with zombies and George Romero already did 95% of it with his first three zombie flicks, and the remaining 5 percent was covered by 28 Days Later.
And Deadwood is working in an entirely different genre--the western. Granted, the idea of "The Western" is just as disconnected from "reality" as fantasy is, but that genre has consistently given us greater work than anything high fantasy has put out.
There's nothing INTRINSICALLY wrong with fantasy, just as there's nothing INTRINSICALLY wrong with any genre. Each genre has to work within a series of tropes. The problem is that high fantasy, as a style, is so disconnected from real life that its ability to comment on anything in an intelligent manner is diminished. Like superhero comic books, it has a central stable of ideas that have become so codified and set-in-stone (swords/castles/kings/elves/wizards/princesses) that it can no longer be really altered. Thus its disposability, and its popularity among unwashed goons of all stripes.
Try to think of some good fantasy outside of the obvious "classics" (Lord of the Rings, Gormenghast, John Crowley's "Little, Big"). I could name a hundred awesome science fiction novels and films, and another hundred awesome western novels and films (although for westerns it's admittedly mostly films). What does fantasy have?
I would honestly love to hear about some great fantasy novel I've never heard of. I read Gene Wolfe and the first two books of this Martin series and both were just awful, but if there's great stuff out there that I've missed I will happily admit my wrongness.
Adding to that, Pans Labarynth
And anything Myazaki made, which has the bonus of being good anime and good fantasy
|Johnny Madhouse |
Holy crap people have strong opinions about genres they don't like.
I fucking love watching actors kill each other with swords. There's sexual intrigue? Sounds cool, as long as it has lots of sex.
I pay taxes.
I don't really want to get into this whole debate, so I'm going to give my two cents and get out.
Most fantasy writing is god-awful, including the piles of it I read as a kid. This series is a rare well-written gem, I like it a lot despite the small chance of it being finished by Martin. Also, I like his short-stories.
The TV show seems really unnecessary.
Five stars for this clip causing Oswald and the other Tim & Eric fans to explode into the kind of incoherent rage they like to imagine their favorite gross out non-jokes invoke in the mundanes.
I read the first two books and they were pretty boring, but this sure seems to infuriate Oswald, so five stars.
|Jack Sheppard |
I was going to give this five stars for oswald as the most ignorant motherfucker to appear on this comment page, but then FABIO came along and... was himself. What. the. fuck. does this clip have to do with Tim and Eric.
I fucking love these books, as does my wife. I will watch the shit out of this.
|Corporate God King |
So, I guess this means they're not bringing Carnivale back. Fuck them.
Accents real or faked make everything medieval!
five stars of internet rage
I don't understand fantasy that doesn't come with a heavy metal soundtrack, so five for taking swords and killing and making them look boring.
Fact: These books are pretty cool.
Excuse me sir. If you had read Oswald's fine post, you would clearly see that these books are horrible tripe, with conventions so codified that nothing interesting or new could possibly happen. I eagerly await Oswald's explanation for the fact that new & interesting things happen in these books.
This looks really good!
|The McK |
^^^ Opinions on what makes a genre art or trash from a guy named after a cartoon character.
I could care less to see yet another midevil-themed movie series. My stars are for the comments littering this page. It's as if people take shit personally over the internet, and retaliate like they have some sort of reputation to uphold.
Look at me, I'm a random guy on the internet with a strong opinion who feels the need to defend it against other people on the INTERNET >:C
I'm so glad I submitted this.
I haven't read the books and have no strong opinions one way or the other for the tv series.
The guy who plays Jaime Lannister is hot. I'm psyched for this.
wow this thread
|Big Muddy |
Alls I know is HBO is still a place for womens with 8 ft hair who bareback(a noun & verb) on huge beds made of roughhewn larch poles. Oh yes, keep that sheet around yo fat ass while we fuck, you know I likes that shit!
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