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Desc:seemingly the only guy willing or able to comment on this from an informed and objective perspective
Category:News & Politics, Horror
Tags:black people, white people, london riots
Submitted:Harveyjames
Date:08/09/11
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Comment count is 23
deadpan
Ahaha your license fee pays this awful woman to ridicule and belittle that old man.
Abstract Fainter
Since when has the BBC become Fox News? Let the man speak his side of the story, before maintaining your fascist narrative.
zerobackup
Fuckin cunts

Spastic Avenger
Darcus Howe should be treated with respect and interviewed properly, but calling this 'fascist' is absolutely ridiculous. it's just a very, very bad interview conducted by somebody who seems too tired to actually think straight. I have a feeling at one pint she even called him 'Marcus Dowe'.

Harveyjames
I got a Fox News vibe from this, too. Getting his name wrong just to throw him off or filibuster the interview is a real Fox News tactic.

Burnov
If you let people behave like animals, those who are inclined to do so, will.

Time to stop being pussies UK government.

All the security cameras in the world can't make up for good old fashioned head busting.

What he's saying is the UK is going down the shitter, that was pretty much evident, especially with the announcements for austerity measures.

You simply can't go around appeasing people who are willing to shit on their own doorstep because they're frustrated and feel disenfranchised.


Anaxagoras
You're part of the problem.

wtf japan
You can't treat someone like an animal and then appeal to their humanity when they finally start to act like one.

Abstract Fainter
Burnov 14/88 AMIRITE???!!!

simon666
Burnov is clearly someone who has been touched by the pathos of the violence in London and whose reaction to those feelings is to regurgitate that violence in order to quell it.

Hey, Burnov, we get it. You don't like the rioting and the head-busting tough talk is how you deal with those feelings.

But let us all be clear that what you advocate is nothing more than you dealing with some scenes of violence that affect you. Really, nothing more.

Being clear on this is being gracious towards you. Just keep that in mind.

Pompoulus
I imagine Burnov's posts spoken in a gravelly Snake Plissken voice.

whensaidthemoon
On the one hand, I'm not sure I can get behind the comparison to Egypt.

On the other hand, everything about this woman is vile, her eyes are made entirely of different shades of congealed eyeshadow, and she seems oddly terrified of the notion that some of the rioters might have an actual motive beyond a desire for free TVs.

Either way, five stars.
Burnov
The comparison to Egypt is laughable.

These people aren't fighting for any sort of freedom from some sort of perceived oppression, its simply the lowest functioning elements of society consumed by more emotion than their brains can contain.

I'm sorry, but people beating bystanders up and looting them, and businesses that have nothing to do with perceived injustice on behalf of the police is total crap.

There's a certain section of the population who is responsibe for this, and everyone else with an ounce of civility is simply enduring their financial hardships as best they can.

IMHO, nuke it from space... its the only way to be sure.

MurgatroidMendelbaum
Once nuked from space, only Burnov will survive.

Mancakes
Burnov, how do you lash out as a disenfranchised, broke, youth with no future? Stage a sit in? That wouldn't even get coverage or notice from whatever restaurant you did it in.

You say that they have nothing to riot about, but look at the economy, their prospects, and their lives. For the first time in ~100 years, there's no possibility that a person can realistically have a better life than the generation before them. There are no good jobs, education is devalued, and there is no hope.

I know you must loathe those "lowest functioning elements" (read poors/Pakis/niggers). I admit rioting over things like a hockey game is stupid and frivolous, and that people do stupid and impulsive things when gripped by herd/mob behavior, but stop with your white-privilege, middle-upper class horseshit and realize that there are real problems in the world short of a boot on your neck and a gun in your face.

You don't have to endorse something to understand it.

Potrod
Obviously there are underlying issues that need to be addressed, but it doesn't at all excuse the more heinous crimes committed by some of the rioters (arson, etc.), or the fact that some percentage of them are just opportunists. You can understand where the anger comes from and still punish those looting and setting fire to homes.

whensaidthemoon
I feel sorry for Darcus Howe. He seems like a decent, compassionate person who wants a better life for his grandchildren. The sad thing is that he and others like him, who I'm certain include a number of the less mugging-prone rioters, now have to compete for attention with a bunch of teenage hooligans who think that stealing ipads from bleeding college students constitutes a move for political reform.

So I see where you're coming from, Mancakes, but I still don't see how any of the current rioting is going to effectively communicate anything or benefit anyone. It might make Cameron reconsider the budget cuts to law enforcement, but that's about it.
whensaidthemoon
meant as a reply to Mancakes' reply to Burnov's reply to my previous comment.

Jet Bin Fever
I feel really sad about this whole story. This guy is really interesting, and I would just listen and not interrupt or belittle him. I wish I could do more than just feel bad about it though from this side of the Atlantic, but I can't.
Konversekid
"...But that is not an excuse to go out rioting and causing this sort of damage."

Deeply ingrained institutionalized racism is no reason to participate in relatively nonviolent acts of rioting and mass vandalism. This women is ignorant to an evil extent.
Spastic Avenger
'relatively nonviolent acts of rioting and mass vandalism. This women is ignorant to an evil extent.'

Tell this to my friends in Handsworth.
Spastic Avenger
Every time I hear the word 'relatively' ahead of something awful I feel a bit ill. People have been killed guarding their property. These aren't rich people; these are neighbours from the same socioeconomic backgrounds as the rioters. I grew up in a lower working class background. A lot of my friends still live in the same areas.
This is a poor interview, but don't let that suddenly convince you that heinous things aren't happening to ordinary people.

riedquat
In Darcus Howe's documentary "Who Are You Calling A N****r" he walked out of an interview with some members of a racist organisation because they said some racist things.

He's an interesting guy but a terrible investigative journalist.
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