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Desc:Happy Independence Day, America
Category:News & Politics, Horror
Tags:fascism, big brother, greenwald, glenn greenwald, surveillance
Submitted:jangbones
Date:07/04/12
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Caminante Nocturno
Russia Today is somehow worse than Fox News.
SolRo
how?

Caminante Nocturno
They're even worse than they are at disguising their agenda.

SolRo
which is?

Caminante Nocturno
Russia Today is an undisguised propaganda mill for the Soviet government.

SolRo
ookaaaayy...

Caminante Nocturno
Solro, that was a silly little response from a silly little person.

SteamPoweredKleenex
There is no Soviet government anymore. There's Putin and his cronies who run just about every major corporate interest and extort bribes from all the others. So, I dunno. Mafia-based oligarchy?

misterbuns
Tell us your feelings about how salon is run by ex KGB.

SolRo
PBS is an undisguised propoganda mill for the confederate government!

grimetooth
RussiaToday is a pro-kremlin news source, but I've found they will cover stories that are generally avoided in US or British news.
All major news sources are biased to varying degrees, and I don't find RT to be much worse than Fox or CNN.
That being said, Alyona is one of the more openly biased and opinionated shows on the network, and I don't really dig her.

SteamPoweredKleenex
I really have to discount anyone who thinks Fox and CNN are somehow even remotely equivalent in their biases. Not to mention that most of all the other networks will actually have some sense of shame if one of their talking heads says something that goes over the top and has them apologize and/or resign. For Fox, spouting something that's not only false but inflammatory is how you get paid, and everyone just shrugs and says, "well, that's Fox News, what are you going to do?"

That said, CNN was at its best as a headline news channel. When cable news started doing shows based around personalities, the "news" took a nose-dive.

PegLegPete
The NSA is collecting a ton of domestic information without warrants or a court order. That statement is probably totally obvious to most people by now. The Binney he mentions has given a great interview on Democracy Now, which I suggest people who care about this topic watch.

It's also pertinent to mention there was even a Nova episode about this; wherein towards the end a guy named Mark Klein speaks for a minute - the man who found that the NSA is splitting the San Francisco AT&T internet backbone into a secret room with Deep Packet Inspection tools and had the balls to talk about it. There's an unredacted version of his declaration on the EFF's (Electronic Frontier Foundation) website wherein he also states that the NSA is probably capturing information around the country. The EFF filed a lawsuit as well; Hepting vs. AT&T, which is worth looking at. Furthermore there's a lengthy Wired article about how there's a massive Cryptanalysis facility the "Utah Data Center" being finished off.

It's really important that we know we have no privacy on the internet now.
dairyqueenlatifah
Oh no, all my cat image macros, vintage Sailor Moon hentai and gay bondage porn are no longer secret. Woe as me!

Caminante Nocturno
I look forward to the day the government tries to use my pornography collection against me.

I won't even say anything.

I'll just stand there and smile proudly.

SteamPoweredKleenex
The biggest defense we have, as a whole, against this kind of thing is just the sheer amount of crap humans generate via the internet. I pity even the computer system that has to sift through Facebook to find anything relevant or meaningful.

Coupling that with the error rate inherent in our information systems, and actually finding people will often be a challenge. Just misspellings of my name have generated three "identities" that I get junk mail for, and I still get official mail for the guy who lived in my house over a decade ago.

That said, it's still scary for any individual the NSA or whoever decides to target.

PegLegPete
Glenn goes over your argument. Would you be ok with me having your password for your blog, a record of your credit card transactions, and a tap on your phone line? Or do I just have to be a police officer for you to be ok with it? After all you have nothing to be ashamed of or hide, right? How much privacy do you think people should have? Do you think we should have oversight of what the government does? Is national security more important than the privacy of the population? More importantly, who decides? I agree with Glenn when he basically says that want of privacy is a good value to have. We're talking philosophically here - if you don't care that's your problem.

But then again, you don't live in a place like Syria or China so you really don't get to see how this might affect someone who has to answer to an authority that doesn't like your political beliefs.

Rodents of Unusual Size
I'm kind of horrified at the thought that the NSA has copies of my sex related emails because if they really are collecting every email then that is a huge violation of privacy.

If I ever become famous for being murdered, I really don't want the history of my sex mails floating around. I'm going to obsess in paranoia over this now.

Blue
Remember when these people were targeting Martin Luther King Jr.? It's the same fucking people in power today and they're just as racist.

They've fought to be able to do this stuff without warrants. Getting a warrant is not a burden to a legitimate law enforcement operation. Not requiring a warrant is basically explicitly telling people they can use these powers to do whatever the fuck they want, which usually translates to kicking the shit out of minorities.

SolRo
"But then again, you don't live in a place like Syria or China so you really don't get to see how this might affect someone who has to answer to an authority that doesn't like your political beliefs."


technically you already do.

remember how the bush whitehouse fired a bunch of staffers for their political beliefs? This system would just streamline that process so only the croniest of cronies would be hired in the first place.

dont have to worry about whistle blowers if everyone in your group thinks the same way...and even if you end up being too corrupt for them, you can just track them down and try them them for treason pretty easly.

Adham Nu'man
What is a sex mail?

SteamPoweredKleenex
The Bush administration didn't "fire a bunch of staffers," it fired people from the Department of Justice for their political views, which is against the law.

Funny how nobody went to jail for that, either.

dairyqueenlatifah
I just have two questions:

1) What dupe thinks we have, have ever had, or will ever have privacy online?

and

2) What retirement home to they reside in, and/or what flavor of crack are they on?

Robin Kestrel
I think we can trust the Government not to abuse its unlimited & highly secretive domestic spying powers.
memedumpster
I have a "friend" in the NSA. I stole his never-gonna-be-his-girlfriend once when we were younger (I'll never forget crying throwing up in the toilet night and no I don't mean her) so now he tells all of our old mutual friends I'm a terrorist. It used to piss me off, but now I don't care.

The NSA is overrated.
Syd Midnight
10 years ago "Crying Throwing Up in the Toilet Night" used to come come a few times a week for me, but I don't get out much and I stopped drinking so nowadays it's more like an annual holiday. And it's usually because I ate something I should have thrown away and someone else probably already had, and not booze-, drug-, or some-jerk-broke-my-heart-related.

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