Toenails - 2009-06-22
Her name was Robert Paulson.
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BOOSH - 2009-06-22
this is different from the "Neda" video making the rounds (which you should not watch if you dont want to have nightmares)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrfEtW2aT4
Women seem to be at the forefront of the protests for a number of conflating factors:
1) Obviously, the repressive nature of the regime re: women
2) 62% of all Iranian university students are female, and, presumably, when the large number of student groups which are mobilizing and driving the protests, more women show up than men by virtue of sheer numbers
3) at the same time, especially among highly educated urban females, unemployment rates are very high. They were already high prior to the slowing of the Iranian economy in the early part of 2000, but have risen significantly over the last decade
So they seem to have a lot of time on their hands and are (rightly) pissed off
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kelpfoot - 2009-06-22 Additional nightmare fuel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTR-ER1ibXw
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Cleaner82 - 2009-06-22
We're pulling for you Iran.
Well I am, and most of the PoE posters seem to be totally apathetic, which is still a net positive.
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manfred - 2009-06-22 Do you even know who the protesters are supporting?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir-Hossein_Mousavi
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245184852609&pagen ame=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Mousavi is a fundamentalist fanatic, even more so than Ahmadinejad. He was a foreign minister under Khomeini, for God's sake!
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manfred - 2009-06-22 phalsebob: really? Mousavi was behind the Freedom Movement of Iran (a theocratic, anti-Shah organization) and one of the founders of the Islamic Republican Party (characterized by "its strong clerical component, its loyalty to Khomeini, its strong animosity to the liberal political movements, and its tendency to support the revolutionary organizations". This guy is a hard-line fanatic.
wtf japan: Mousavi was the favorite of the clergy before the election.
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wtf japan - 2009-06-22 Manfred, it says in the wikipedia article you cited that Mousavi has denied allegations that he was handpicked by the clergy. It also practically amounts to a grocery list of his progressive, moderate stances on a variety of issues including freedom of speech and press. What you have to understand is that in Islamic countries, especially Iran, in order to gain any kind of political foothold, you have to take a stance that seems fundamentalist or fanatical in the eyes of the West. Those are the rules of the game. You have to obey the rules at first if you want to change them later on.
Even if it wasn't contentious that Mousavi was favored by the clergy, doesn't common sense dictate that the Supreme fucking Leader of Iran would insure that his pick won the election? I'm pretty sure that's what happened, and Mousavi was not elected.
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StanleyPain - 2009-06-22 I'm not apathetic, I just choose to actually, you know, try to be moderately educated on a subject that I admittedly knew very little about, unlike 99,9% of most Americans who see the protests and are retarded enough to think that it's like the 4th of July, the Boston Tea Party and the signing of the Constitution all rolled into one, which it isn't. Not even remotely. In fact, the American reaction, by and large, to what's going on in Iran is the ultimate litmus test for how stupid Americans really are at the core. So many are just blindly supporting the protesters YAY FREEDOM WILL RING FROM THE HIGHEST TOWER without really understanding what's going on there or what the underlying issues are. In fact, in my conversations with people on this subject, almost none of them actually even understand the Iranian government or the fact that the Supreme Leader and the President are two wholly different people. So, that's great that people think that wearing green armbands and changing their Twitter icon is some kind of advanced social movement, but the reality is that what's going on in Iran is complex and if you really think that if Mousavi is president this will bring happiness and pink unicorns into the land of Iran, you would be very wrong. I admire the protesters and I am happy to see so many young people so passionate about wanting to change their country or, at least, see democracy improve there. But, there is the issue that democracy doesn't really exist there when, ultimately, a stone age religion dominates the country and its laws. If these people REALLY want to change their country, these protests and this defiance must last well beyond just deciding the election and must continue into the future where the root of all these problems is radically changed.
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revdrew - 2009-06-22
One thing I've learned from all of this is that there is a lot of hot Iranian women.
Too bad they keep getting shot.
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wtf japan - 2009-06-22 Arabic and Persian women are smokin'. Too bad cable news in this network only show footage of women in hijabs or burkhas when they cover an Islamic country. That is not the norm, for the most part. The norm is hot.
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Witty_Pop_Culture_Reference - 2009-06-22
I'm almost inclined to believe the CIA has been planning, supporting, instigating and urging on this entire situation for obvious reasons, but there are no American fruit companies that I am aware of in Iran.
Of course that's just crazy conspiracy theory talk. It's not like they've ever had a hand in destabilizing a country the US government has had it's sights on, flooding the media with 'pro-democracy' content while quietly setting the stage for financial fascism through ruthless capitalist expansion, befriending even the most violent or fanatical anti-westerners just to topple an entrenched leader and reduce the nations capacity to defend itself or it's meager freedoms to rubble so that the entire system is entangled in it's own crisis and becomes a limping cripple, it's poor and weakest citizens, most often children, suffering the most and dying unheard of while our telelvisions proclaim another victory for freedom....
But like I said, no fruit companies in Iran, right?
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dorje - 2009-06-22 obvious guy: too successful to be a cia op
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Witty_Pop_Culture_Reference - 2009-06-23 I mean, I know sarcasm doesn't bleed well into type at all, but my post should have been pretty obvious. What I wrote is exactly what the anti-protest crowd is trying to forment, the same thing that happened in Liberia when guy was booted and he ran claiming it was all the US, I just happened to be remarking that it is sad that the US has actually done this kind of thing in the past, albeit in a much different time period with far less unrestricted flow of information (see Latin America).
There are folk in postions of power who are genuinely trying to get these ideas believed in order to discredit the protests. I thought this was common knowledge by now, or perhaps the fact that I can be both bitter and jaded towards both sides of the east-west 'who can be the biggest scumocracy' competition in equal reprehension makes it slightly obfuscated.
Long story short? Obviously it's bullshit; what's both terrifying and sad is that it isn't obvious because the US has actually done similiar things in the past. If there was absolutely no past history of doing anything like that, it would be blatant how ridiculous the claims are. It should scare us all that it wasn't.
No... fruit... companies... in... forget it.
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Witty_Pop_Culture_Reference - 2009-06-23 Also, Simon666, I have no idea what you are saying. It's like you only read every other word of my first comment, then ran with whatever your imagination used to fill in the gaps.
GOOGLE RON PAUL!
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