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Desc:She has a Ph.D. in molecular genetics from Ohio State University.
Category:Science & Technology, Religious
Tags:Evolution, crazy, batshit, michael shermer, holy shit ohio state
Submitted:manfred
Date:06/30/09
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TeenerTot
What's with all the "starting point colors your interpretation" stuff?

Science's starting point is assuming you know nothing.

That's why "intelligent design" isn't any kind of science. Because your starting point is assuming the truth of some dusty old book of fairy tales.


How can she even call herself a scientist?

DOES....NOT....COMPUTE...
*head explodes*
Cleaner82
Wherein, in the first few minutes, a scientist discusses how and why bacteria become evil.
Toenails
*spit-take*

chumbucket
Evolution is not considered a word we can use for anything under any circumstance or context

5 stars for Shermer and is great interviewing method of "tell me how I'm stupid and I'll tell you how you're dead wrong"
abeli$con
The Ohio State University
manfred
what

pressed peanut sweepings
I know of no creationist professors currently teaching there. I wonder what her thesis was? Did she b.s. her way through grad school by lying about her views?

Did not watch, might die of rageahol.

manfred
Her thesis is titled "The role of Microphthalmia Transcription Factor (MITF) in the regulation of gene expression during osteoclast differentiation"

http://tinyurl.com/myzlxg

Syd Midnight
Sometimes creationists take classes they totally disagree with, like geology, so that they can eventually get a legitimate degree. The professors know they disagree with everything they're being taught but as long as they pass the tests, the only thing the professor can do is give them a bad reference, ie. "the student disagrees with every aspect of the syllabus", so hopefully they won't get hired to a position where knowing that the world is billions of years old is extremely important to the job, like mine design or oil drilling.

THA SUGAH RAIN
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phalsebob
ENOUGH WOMAN! I will visit your fuck-nutty museum! Now dance your creation dance, and don't you dare touch the floor!
IrishWhiskey
"Well, that's based on man's ideas..."

Lady, I don't know if you noticed, but you are part of mankind. You are not God. Therefore, no matter how closely you think your beliefs might match those of God, they are and always will be "man's ideas". Your whole way of thinking is based on transferred infallibility.
phalsebob
Inerrant word of God (KJV) --> No interpretive mechanism whatsoever --> Her brain

Is this so hard to understand you homosexual Darwinist devil worshipper?

IrishWhiskey
She emphasizes that anyone who "interprets" is not a real Christian, and then explains how a Hebrew word referred to daily cycles, which in context of the history and that part of the Bible always meant 24 hours.

Its a translation whose meaning is derived from context and use of similar examples. If that's not interpretation, I don't know what is.

Really, there is no such thing as Biblical literalism. There's too much contradiction for anyone to follow every word. So claiming to follow only the literal word is just another mechanism for ignoring all other thoughts, arguments, or facts that disturb a deeply ingrained mental condition.

phalsebob
Well, looks like you just signed the death warrant on your soul, heathen.

IrishWhiskey
Excellent. Now I can go do all that really messed up stuff I was holding back on.

Lauritz Melchior
Does it make me a bad person if the first thing that I don't like about her is her head-cold voice, the second thing that I don't like about her is her gestures and facial expressions and the *third* thing that I don't like about her is her words?

Also, this is very rage-inducing.
phalsebob
Oh yea... I've been watching a huge number of creation/evolution videos for the past little bit (don't ask). I'll submit a few of the more logic nipple twisting ones when I get the chance.
Rodents of Unusual Size
This woman is broken. And I don't often say that about people. She only became a scientist to try and prove her imaginary history of the world when it is impossible to do so. 11:25 forward he tallks about the dilemma of spin doctoring evidence to fit your preconceived views which she completely fucking ignores by claiming all scientists are biased.

Also, does she have some kind of speech impediment? Why would God make his only begotten evolutionary scientist sound like a tard?
Udderdude
lol.
thebaronsdoctor
There are so many holes in this woman's logic

Why did God wait 4000 years to fix things?

Are the Biblical forefathers who came before Christ rotting in hell?

How do we know God is telling the truth? Guy could be lying.
dueserpenti
If a source of information tells you one lie, then all of its other statements must also be lies. And conversely, if it tells you one truth, all of its other statements must be true. Christians and atheists have been arguing back and forth for years starting from this premise without ever seeming to realize how insane it is. I have no idea why, because literally anyone of greater intelligence than a four-year old can see the problem with it, yet the debate rages on.
SteamPoweredKleenex
To be fair, the reason the "if one thing isn't true, then the whole thing is a lie" does have validity when examining the Bible, because its adherents claim it to be without contradiction authored by an infallible greater being. Science (I'm assuming that's what you mean by 'athiesm'), meanwhile, is all about questioning the data and tossing out that which shows itself to be unsupported by the evidence, and it doesn't dispute that it doesn't currently know everything.

If Biblical adherents would toss out the literalism and just argue philosophy, that'd eliminate the whole "house of cards" problem, but they choose to bring it upon themselves.

pastorofmuppets
dueserpenti, be careful not to confuse Christianity vs. atheism with evolution vs. creationism.

duckofdeath
she talks real good for a deaf girl
Squidmojo
How can a mind operate with that level of cognitive dissonance?
pastorofmuppets
Completely ignoring the twisted wreck that is that lady's mind for a second...Ken Miller is Catholic, not Evangelical or Born Again. I wish the interviewer would have gotten that right.

She really is right about the "starting point" stuff. 100 years from now I'm sure there will be many scientific explanations for things that we look back on and say "oh that was our worldview then, it's easy to see how we could have made that mistake." Specifically with QM there were a lot of growing pains, people looking for hidden variables, Einstein being one of them.

But that's still a really great thing about science. No one assumes that just because their father believed it, it must be right.

He nails her at 8:10...I can't even be mad at someone like this. How could you? It's just depressing is all.
Syd Midnight
"When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." - Issac Asimov

Someday they'll look back and say "Scientists in 2000 were wrong about a lot, but they were a helluva lot closer to the answers than in 1900 or 1800." That's the thing about science.

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