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Desc:A possibly flawed critique of a possibly flawed theory. Possible axes grinding.
Category:Science & Technology, Educational
Tags:guns, germs, Steel, Jared Diamond, Axe grinding
Submitted:phalsebob
Date:08/25/09
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Comment count is 17
William Burns - 2009-08-25
I'm not really sure how I want to rate this. He accuses Jared Diamond of racism and then goes on to blame all of histories tragedies on "Germanic Barbarians." He's not really funny or weird enough to four or five star, he's just kinda dumb.
lucienpsinger - 2009-08-25
I'm basically five-starring the annotations. You know you're getting your point across when three-quarters of the screen image is obscured by notes you've showed us five times so far.

lucienpsinger - 2009-08-25
At 2:40, we see our friend the Techno Viking trapped in time and taking his rage out on the Roman Empire.
Udderdude - 2009-08-25
Even if this stuff isn't true, it still works as a pretty good troll.
Tstyle - 2009-08-25
I don't think this guy finished the book.


Pillager - 2009-08-25
5 for stupidity & repetition.

Yes, China invented Gunpowder. Great fireworks& 'firelances'. A few bombs, cannons, & crude, infective bamboo missiles but not really useful, reliable firearms.

http://books.google.com/books?id=X7e8rHL1lf4C&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46 &dq=China+%2B+Invention+of+Guns&source=bl&ots=241II8g6zz&sig=FRIvM TVTjZFwn1MZ_PLMD7mWTsA&hl=en&ei=nOOTStWmEsG5lAfmvaW-DA&sa=X&oi=boo k_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=China%20%2B%20Invention%20 of%20Guns&f=false


Hell, China's first attempts at firearms didn't do any good versus The Mongols. The Arabs & Europeans improved upon firearms until they became useful in battle.

Also, he ignores that China was busy warring against itself;

http://salempress.com/Store/samples/great_events_from_history_ middle_ages/great_events_from_history_middle_ages_invention.htm

Aw to Hell with this.

I'm going to go raid Zul'Aman. Farm for gold if you like, I'm gonna beat 7 bales of crap out of Zul'jin.

Later.


pressed peanut sweepings - 2009-08-25
People still do that post-wotlk?

Pillager - 2009-08-25
Less Chuck Norris jokes, nowadays.


cognitivedissonance - 2009-08-25
Nevermind that China was wearing armor made of shellaced bamboo while Europe was developing suits of steel armor and chain link.
Bort - 2009-08-25
Show me any empire and I will show you crushed and conquered peoples, the victims of brutal conquest. Germanic barbarians may have stolen Gaul from the Romans, but the Romans stole Gaul from the Celts, so there is plenty of savagery to go around.

Also it's not as simple as Germanic tribes destroying Rome; there was at least as much interest as living WITH Romans as there was subjugating them. There's one tale of a Roman landowner in Gaul, fleeing for his life from hordes of Goths; eventually a messenger catches up with this Roman, bearing an offer from some Goth or other to buy some of this Roman's land -- hardly what I'd call pillage and plunder. So really the better question is why Rome fell at all, and the uselessly short answer is, the remarkable set of conditions that allowed Rome to flourish were no longer in effect by the 400s. Germanic barbarians factored in but their success was a result of Rome's weakness, not a cause.
chumbucket - 2009-08-25
if he wants China thrown in, he needs "Guns Germs Steel and Export Spamming"
PegLegPete - 2009-08-25
Aside from the aforementioned reliable/practical gun issue and the in-fighting China had, the country also has -- to this day -- a vast and harsh geography isolating it from the western world. China has also had a very isolationist attitude towards foreign policy. Furthermore the Chinese didn't settle with very isolated groups of people from the other side of the world so "germs" wouldn't really even come into play.

The Mongol empire, Timur the Lame, The Holy Wars and numerous other conflicts and conquerors left the European world less damaged than even the very routes of travel to reach China. The Chinese almost certainly invented gun powder first but there is still debate on whether or not Arabs, even Europeans "coinvented" it; meaning they developed it independently from those in China despite the event being years after.

It makes sense that crops from the middle-east made their way to Europe; because the former was one of the most tumultuous areas on earth and -- as the video about the book stated -- becoming arid because of over-farming. Do I need to give reasons why people didn't grow them in Africa or try to enter India, let alone cross the Gobi and Himalayas?

This man is quite clearly wrong.
FABIO - 2009-08-25
This guy is pulling 40 SQpM (sneer quotes per minute).
Binro the Heretic - 2009-08-25
Jane, you ignorant slut...

Seriously, dude, Diamond wasn't concerned with motives and ideologies. He was only saying the intersection of the proper resources was what ALLOWED the europeans to become such efficient conquerors.

If they had lacked any one of the proper elements; ample agriculture, efficient deadly weapons, etc. they could have tried to conquer all they wanted, but would have failed miserably every time.
Cena_mark - 2009-08-25
Plus the geography of Eurasia allowed trade to take place between Europe and the Mid East allowing Europe to learn about the gun. Europeans improved on it and used it to kill savages in the new world.

Cena_mark - 2009-08-25
Bet he voted for Obama to ease his white guilt.
phalsebob - 2009-08-26
This is from the Mexica Movement, a group of dilwads that seem to think they are the voice of all native peoples on both American continents. I don't know much about them (and from the dipshittery in this video, I won't find out more) but I'm certain they aren't white.

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