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Desc:Moderately winding each other up over politics is an important part of a nutritious breakfast.
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Submitted:That guy
Date:09/12/16
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Comment count is 52
That guy
I wanted to share my thoughts on what the hopper ethos should be, but I'll let y'all go first.
SolRo
Any video that doesn't perfectly align with my preferences is pure garbage and whoever submitted it should die a painful death.

bawbag
I'm upvoting all kittens, I'm downvoting all anime/wrestling/MLP videos.

Seriously though, I feel like it's been a wall of trump/4chan/pol shit the last few months and I will probably still downvote most of that because I think it's dull, facebook-tier shit but yup, the no-platforming is going to be reeled back in now that the most egregious fuckwit has been banned.

15th
Id like to know about the banishing..

cognitivedissonance
I believe the stars system is absurd and I haven't voted a clip less than five in as many years.

memedumpster
Frank Miller will never make it through the hopper again.

That guy
*****
classic SolRo

Redford
HA!


As long as we don't slip into more orcs-level drama, I'm fine with ya'll.

That guy
Here are my highly abbreviated thoughts on the ethos of downvoting, political disagreements and such.

1) A very high tolerance for as many kinds of videos and commentary as possible (and a slow-moving banhammer) makes sense for this site.
A given video could be poeworthy to different people for conflicting reasons, which usually leads to interesting comments and replies.
Commentary should include discussing, arguing, winding each other up, trying ideas on for size that you reject later on, mild to moderate trolling, satirizing each other, reconsidering yourself, etc etc. Anonymity is generally good for this Thunderdome-fuckfest of ideas, even if it's bad at given times.

2) I think 'very high tolerance' is a better virtue than 'total tolerance', if only to prevent disruption by total shit.
But partial shit belongs here, makes the flowers grow, etc. The devil's in the details on where to draw the line, but I don't think it should be a puritanical instinct and a low bar.
Ain't nobody's shit don't stink, mon semblable, mon frere.

3) When you see a vid in the hopper, you can upvote it, downvote it, or abstain. I try not to downvote anything that I know is poeworthy simply because it bothers *me* or because *I* would hate to discuss it again. I try to simply abstain from voting.

4) Lastly, specific to this site compared to most media, we have a pretty good combination of a) a decent spectrum of viewpoints, multiplied by b) fairly intelligent commentary, and titty-twisted by c) hilarious dumbfuckery as opposed to internet-standard dumbfuckery. Let's not lose that.

That's the short of it. Everything else is just an elaboration on these virtues, I think.

chumbucket
I will auto-downvote obvious submits of one's own YT "how to" or "top ten" vids. If it's clever, funny, interesting or debate-worthy content suitable for poeTV it gets a pass even if it's a submitter's creation.

memedumpster
My behavior wont change.

I think most of you are closer to orcs than anywhere else when it comes to politics. Every political video is an opportunity for me to be personally offended by the womb-comfort fear politics of poeTV, but I do not my damnedest not to one star them off the front page though I always want to. I experience this every morning and it keeps me off the site for most of the day, except Mondays of course.

I found it a contradiction to tolerate orcs less than the rest of you, so I gave him as much of a chance to say the same terrible shit most of you all do as well.

If I took this out on the hopper, I'd downvote every single politics or comedy central comedic shill video every time, and then I'd be the next orcs.

It wouldn't help anything.

15th
Taking Orcs' diarrhea at face value, you honestly think the majority of users here are politically white nationalists? Come on.

poorwill
memedumpster, you have always been a boring, useless piece of shit.

memedumpster
Poorwill, someone told you being stupid is a way to succeed at life, they were either unknowingly wrong or they intentionally set you up.

This is the site that hates women because video games, and black people because they have a problem with cops murdering them.

I promise I wont give a fuck about you while you think women are inferior and black people should be mass murdered, no matter what flattering things you call me.

That guy
memey-d, I hope you keep seeing the viewpoints around here with new eyes, and what you're saying is partly from your mood today, Tuesday.

I do not think that there are two shades of gray on Sarky or BLM. Come back to us. It is far within the realm of possibility for a person to be right and good in some ways and wrong or bad in others, whether that be Sarky, you, a BLM protestor, me, my mama, the pope's urologist or a coked-up werewolf.

I realize that you live somewhere that could be severely trying on a daily basis, AND at a time where our national politics have gone bugshit insane. Don't see us through that tint, my brother.

If bawbag and I can spar like crazed samurai, and later realize similarities and find mutual respect, despite the vicious arguments, maybe dogs and cats can live together??

SolRo
Meme, you are dumb because you think due to a couple MRAs and cop apologists (usually the same user) being on this site it justifies your support for a white power shitheel that also hates women and black people.

Gmork
Jesus, Meme, you have a pretty distorted perception of other users here. Orcs represented 99% of what you described and he's gone. Who's left that even qualifies? BENNR?

Potrod
I'm not sure how you guys haven't gotten the fact that he views the world in very strict binary terms. Did we forget his tantrum on this video: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=147110

"consider going back on your meds, ffs"--didn't seem to happen.

Robin Kestrel
I blame the parents.
Old_Zircon
Why don't they shut up?

StanleyPain
I have zero problems with a variety of videos, a variety of viewpoints etc. POEN has always had great discussions along these lines.

But the discussions have to be in good faith, not dumbshit "ironically" terrible nonsense being submitted by the Bo-News fucktard brigade (orcs, bennr, f3ar, jimmyboblahey, etc.)

They bring literally NOTHING to the site at all. So...until support or someone can get this shit under control, I'm all for the downvoting.
That guy
Is it under control.... as.... of..... now?

If it's non-epidemic in the hopper, remember that you can always one-star a vid when it comes through, and that pushes it off the front page faster.

Nominal
Those people were confirmef Bo news?

F3AR
hi buddy!

do i know you?

are you even relevant?

Adham Nu'man
Fine by me.
jfcaron_ca
Is it wrong that I'm enjoying this self-aware eurotrash song?
Old_Zircon
Only if you enjoy it more than this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4XG2xfUzuo

Lef
This is a great song, nothing wrong with enjoying it.

The vitriolic hatred that was in the posts was too much. I don't mind some political incorrectness, challenging is fine, hopefully with humor, but flat out racism/homophobia/misogyny and full on shit headedness is not what I want to see, and orcs has that in quantity.

GOOD DAY SIR!

That guy
Lef, orcs has been banned. I thought everyone knew this.

Lef
Well, if he's still reading, he can get a big GOOD DAY SIR from me knowing that so few people could stand him.

bongoprophet
I insert no politics or time into the hopper, I am a front page privileges-elitist. Should I go there to downvote orcs or something?
Gmork
I thought orcs got banned?


Old_Zircon
True story: the only thing I ever tweeted before I got bored with Twitter was the original version of this song by Phil & Company, just the URL with no other text or hashtags or anything. Within 3 hours, Gunther was following me.
Old_Zircon
Oh, and stars for That Guy and his request.

memedumpster
Did you have to get a restraining order?

15th
I'm interested to hear EH's opinion on this ban. Did it make him a martyr? Validate him? Did he expose anything about our conmunity worth examining? 10k words or less.
poorwill
we already got memedumpster's take. if you can tell those two apart, you should get a job determining the sex of chicks.

Oscar Wildcat
I was rather hoping JHM would follow through and post a memorial video for Orcs. There we could have an actual discussion about this guy, and what he has contributed to this site. It's not a trivial contribution, BTW. I could easily do 10K words on the subject. It's become clear from recent comments that the discussion ought to be had, many of you will have to pick your jaws up off the floor when the whole thing is laid out. So how about it, JHM!?!?

Potrod
EH is infinitely less judgmental and less self-serious than memedumpster and is probably able to enjoy life like a roughly normal human being.

memedumpster
Bark bark arf arf!

Did I get the grammar right?

Fuck yes I am judgmental, the society you endorse kills people for sport.

You're way more pissed that I am not on your side than I ever will be for not being on yours. This is not an equal exchange.

John Holmes Motherfucker
Okay. Now that he's gone it wouldn't be against the rules to lampoon him in a video. Orcs is a guy, right? I do tend to think everyone is male, except TeenerTot. I'm sure some women prefer to keep their gender to themselves on the internet, so maybe assuming that everyone is male is actually good manners.

I vote for what I like, ignore what I don't. If somebody else wants to talk about a video, there's usually no reason for me to care. I probably average a downvote a year. and I probably don't watch 90 per cent of all the videos posted at any given time.

Oscar Wildcat
Any good memorial should mark the places and people so ennobled. You should look at the comment history and pick out some key moments in Orcs narrative arc. First post. Early Orcs. Zoe Orcs. Late Orcs. How to represent this in visual form is up to you, but try not to be so literal at the Zoe stage. Trust me.

15th
I wasn't being sarcastic. Some people say EH is contrarian just for sport, but I think there are sincere, thoughtful and philosophical underpinnings to some of his works. Not always the case, obviously, but i think he brings a lot to the table.

Same with meme. Sometimes I wonder if he is off the rails or if he is a rare person that deeply cares about others and has an acutely sensitive BS detector tuned to frequencies I'm not willing or able to hear.

I can never be completely certain about either of those two and I have been reading them for years. I've been reading a lot of you guys and gals for years.

The last couple months have been a bit annoying and kind of a clustetfuck. But, I still say this is the best site on the net without an edit button and grey color scheme.

Potrod
Ahaha, I don't care that you're not on "my side," which is idiotic since I probably actually agree with you on a significant number of things anyway, a depressed misanthrope will always be tedious. Pick whoever you want on here that best matches "your side" (if anyone can match your exacting criteria); I guarantee I don't have a real problem with them.

Potrod
I just think it's inherently kind of pathetic to hang out on a site where you can barely stand to tolerate "the rest of" the userbase, as you say. It was stupid when it was waugh's schtick, and who the fuck even knew what his beliefs were.

EvilHomer
Give me a few hours. I'm out with my galpal, catching Pokemon in front of the Skull & Bones Society. (there are two pokestops here, and it's incredibly difficult to concentrate)

John Holmes Motherfucker
>>>I wasn't being sarcastic. Some people say EH is contrarian just for sport, but I think there are sincere, thoughtful and philosophical underpinnings to some of his works. Not always the case, obviously, but i think he brings a lot to the table.


If he was gone, I'd miss him. Evil Homer reminds me of my cat, Zoe, who likes to play "The Chase Me Game", which ought to be self-explanatory. That's a pretty good analogy for Homer, trying to lure me into an argument I'll never ever win. It's hard not to think of it as good-natured, even if I don't take the bait as much as I used to.

He's definitely a troll, but he's the most elegant, thoughtful troll I've ever encountered. He writes well. Because he's usually so full of shit, his occasional moments of sincerity (or so I choose to take them) stand out. They can even be touching.

And sometimes, The Chase Me Game is fun! If the argument is about something I love to talk about. Homer will definitely give me the opportunity, in spades.

Five stars for the video.

Doc Victor
John why did you name your cat Zoe...?

jfcaron_ca
By the way, if anyone else wants to join the IRC channel on days other than MNR, it could become a general discussion place.
Nominal
A sort of chat....cabal?

Old_Zircon
IRC can be the best or the worst depending on how it's used, so we should tread with caution there. But it would probably be fun.

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